Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 12:15:29 02/06/05
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On February 06, 2005 at 13:43:33, George Sobala wrote:
>On February 06, 2005 at 10:36:46, Peter Skinner wrote:
>
>>In the last few months I have has problems running _any_ Chesspartner engine on
>>ICC. For some reason the engine just stops playing as it is not being updated by
>>the interface.
>>
>>Lex put in a move delay option and no matter what you set it to, the same still
>>happens. I usually use Gandalf 6, or Shredder 8 in that interface.
>>
>>I was discussing this on FICS yesterday with someone who had _no_ problems using
>>CT2004 on FICS and it almost never lost on time. He asked to use my account on
>>ICC for an evening and I agreed in an experiment. Here are the results:
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2787"]
>>[BlackElo "2862"]
>>[Opening "A21 English Opening"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 d6 3. g3 c5 4. d3 { olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2843"]
>>[BlackElo "2806"]
>>[Opening "E06 Catalan: Closed, 5.Nf3"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. c4 O-O 6. Nbd2 c5 7. dxc5 Na6 {
>>olorin forfeits
>>on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2824"]
>>[BlackElo "2825"]
>>[Opening "D02 Queen's Pawn Game, Krause Variation"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c5 3. c4 Nc6 4. cxd5 { olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2809"]
>>[BlackElo "2840"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 c5 4. f3 Qa5+ 5. c3 Nf6 6. d5 Qb6 7. Bc1 e6 8. e4
>>exd5 9. exd5
>>d6 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2855"]
>>[BlackElo "2794"]
>>[Opening "D43 QGD Semi-Slav"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bg5 Nbd7 6. cxd5 exd5 7. e3 Be7 8. Bd3
>>Ne4 9. Bxe4
>>{ olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2781"]
>>[BlackElo "2868"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/pp1ppppp/8/2p5/3PnB2/5P2/PPP1P1PP/RN1QKBNR b KQkq - 0 0"]
>>
>>{Somnus forfeits on time Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2848"]
>>[BlackElo "2801"]
>>[Opening "B34 Sicilian: Accelerated Fianchetto, Modern Variation"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 d6 7. f3 { olorin
>>forfeits on
>>time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "*"]
>>[WhiteElo "2787"]
>>[BlackElo "2862"]
>>[Opening "A45 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq d3 0 0"]
>>
>>{Game aborted because it's too short Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> *
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2787"]
>>[BlackElo "2862"]
>>[Opening "D02 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. b3 c5 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2875"]
>>[BlackElo "2774"]
>>[Opening "D43 QGD Semi-Slav"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bg5 Nbd7 6. cxd5 exd5 7. e3 Be7 8. Bd3
>>Ne4 9. Bxe4
>>{ olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2763"]
>>[BlackElo "2886"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 d5 3. e3 c5 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Bb5 e6 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2897"]
>>[BlackElo "2752"]
>>[Opening "D45 QGD Semi-Slav: 5.e3"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 { olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "*"]
>>[WhiteElo "2742"]
>>[BlackElo "2907"]
>>[Opening "A45 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq d3 0 0"]
>>
>>{Game aborted because it's too short Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> *
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2742"]
>>[BlackElo "2907"]
>>[Opening "D02 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. g3 Bf5 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2916"]
>>[BlackElo "2733"]
>>[Opening "D11 QGD Slav: 3.Nf3"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. c4 e5 4. dxe5 { olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2725"]
>>[BlackElo "2924"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/6B1/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RN1QKBNR b KQkq - 2 2"]
>>
>>{Somnus forfeits on time Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2900"]
>>[BlackElo "2749"]
>>[Opening "D41 QGD: Semi-Tarrasch, 5.cd"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 exd5 7. Bg5 { olorin
>>forfeits
>>on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2740"]
>>[BlackElo "2909"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. e4 h6 4. Bxf6 Qxf6 5. Qd2 d5 { olorin forfeits on time}
>>0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2918"]
>>[BlackElo "2731"]
>>[Opening "D32 QGD: Tarrasch Defense"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Nf3 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nc6 7. g3 Bb4 8.
>>Bg2 { olorin
>>forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2723"]
>>[BlackElo "2926"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. e4 c5 4. d5 d6 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2934"]
>>[BlackElo "2715"]
>>[Opening "D02 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/3p4/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq d6 0 0"]
>>
>>{Somnus forfeits on time Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2740"]
>>[BlackElo "2909"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. e4 c5 4. e5 h6 5. Bc1 Nd5 6. c4 Nb4 { olorin forfeits on
>>time} 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2918"]
>>[BlackElo "2731"]
>>[Opening "D02 Queen's Pawn Game"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/3p4/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq d6 0 0"]
>>
>>{Somnus forfeits on time Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> 0-1
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2755"]
>>[BlackElo "2894"]
>>[Opening "A45 Trompovsky Attack"]
>>[Setup "1"]
>>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/6B1/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RN1QKBNR b KQkq e3 0 0"]
>>
>>{Somnus forfeits on time Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>> 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "Somnus"]
>>[Black "olorin"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[WhiteElo "2872"]
>>[BlackElo "2777"]
>>[Opening "B35 Sicilian: Accelerated Fianchetto, Modern Variation with Bc4"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 O-O 8.
>>Bb3 a5 9. O-O
>>a4 10. Nxa4 Nxe4 11. Nb5 Ra6 12. c4 { olorin forfeits on time} 1-0
>>
>>[Event ""]
>>[Site ""]
>>[Date "2005.02.06"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "olorin"]
>>[Black "Somnus"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[WhiteElo "2765"]
>>[BlackElo "2884"]
>>[Opening "D23 QGA: Mannheim Variation"]
>>
>>{Time control = 6 6 Engine book(s): ct.tbk }
>>1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 dxc4 4. Qa4+ Nc6 { olorin forfeits on time} 0-1
>>
>>Somnus = Chess Tiger 2004
>>Olorin = Shredder 8
>>
>>Not a single game was completed while it was run overnight. All games were flag
>>losses.
>>
>>I can run Hiarcs online at ICC for days (in fact I did over the Christmas
>>holidays) using the Winboard232d adapter and not have a single loss on time,
>>even in 1 0 games.
>>
>>Why is there such a problem with the Chesspartner interface? I remember using CT
>>15 and Shredder 7.04 just fine. With the latest versions though there is an
>>obvious problem that the patch has not fixed.
>>
>>Or does anyone have a better solution?
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>P.S - This "interface" problem is the only reason that I do not own CT2004. Or I
>>would. I only purchased Gandalf 6 because you can run it in other interfaces
>>that have no problems.
>
>
>There is a file on the Lokasoft website (in Downloads) that enables logging of
>the ChessPartner - ICC interaction. I suggest you use it and see what the logs
>show and let Lex know. When I tried it, it seemed to show that Chesspartner
>received an opponent's move from ICC, instantly sent a move from book back, but
>then was told by ICC that "it wasn't its turn to move". Then Chesspartner would
>hang. Hence the attempt to fix this with a move delay (and the assumption that
>something asynchronous was wrong at ICC's end).
>
>If the move delay has not fixed the problem it needs to be investigated further.
>Maybe something dodgy with timestamp?
After just speaking with an admin on ICC, the problem seems to be this:
http://www.chessclub.com/help/new-features
1-Oct-2004: Exploiting having high lag by moving before your seeing your
opponent's move no longer works; you'll just get "It's not your turn". That
trick was never reliable anyway, since you had to hope that your move would
reach the server after your opponent's move did (as well as hoping that your
move turned out to be legal, not to mention good). This change simplifies the
client-server protocol with respect to timestamp and moves, and should stop a
problem we've seen occasionally where time isn't deducted from the clock
correctly. Clients with a true "premove" feature are not affected.
Unfortunately they are not willing to fix it for the Chesspartner interface, as
it reduces the chances of the lag cheating working.
Someone on either end has to fix this... it is simply the moves are coming way
to fast. Even the move delay option is not working. I have set it as high as
50ms with no success.
Peter
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