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Subject: Re: The King 3.33 Milan 1.7a - my final settings

Author: Joshua Haglund

Date: 23:10:28 02/07/05

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On February 06, 2005 at 19:39:14, Andrew Walker wrote:

>On February 05, 2005 at 03:29:03, Joshua Haglund wrote:
>
>>On February 04, 2005 at 22:52:42, Andrew Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On February 03, 2005 at 23:57:38, Joshua Haglund wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 03, 2005 at 22:18:36, Andrew Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 03, 2005 at 22:10:15, Andrew Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 03, 2005 at 21:16:06, Jason Kent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>@ Playchess.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Play 2649 more games with The King 3.23 SKR.
>>>>>>>>Play 5000 games with The King 3.33 Milan 1.7a.
>>>>>>>>Play 2483 more games with The King 3.33 R2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then these will be added to my list and go against:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Engine            Elo Range Avg.   ELO RANGE
>>>>>>>>The King 3.23 R1     2547          2544-2550
>>>>>>>>The King 3.33        2535          2520-2550
>>>>>>>>The King 3.23        2468          2459-2477
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joshua Haglund
>>>>>>>>toneewa@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How do you know what setting is being used when it is played online?  I usually
>>>>>>>call my 3.23 settings CM9 "name", and 3.33 settings CMX "personality name".  Is
>>>>>>>the server able to tell exactly what is running?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note those numbers don't take into account:
>>>>>>- Computer speed (and if any other tasks are running)
>>>>>>- Hash size
>>>>>>- Learning accrued
>>>>>>- The opening book used
>>>>>>- If engine parameters have been changed
>>>>>>- How many if any tablebases are in use
>>>>>>Make your own judgement!
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, older engines will have a far greater proportion of games played on
>>>>>slower machines. So his numbers are just hot air.
>>>>
>>>>That is why there is a ELO RANGE. Not just one rating on one machine, with
>>>>certain settings, etc.
>>>
>>>Still doesn't make sense. I just saw one of your posts claiming +- 20 points
>>>for Shredder8. The number of machines playing with this engine are going to
>>>show a far greater range of ELO strength. You have not shown that you can use
>>>this to compare the strength of two engines, as you are measuring different
>>>quantities for each one.
>>
>>It's very simple. Shredder 8 has +/- 20. It is an ELO Average of all the users
>>with Shredder 8 with a ELO RANGE +/-. The reason it doesn't have a such a wide
>>range is because it's consistant between the ELO RANGE.
>>
>Does this mean you are taking the uncertainty for each individuals rating and
>averaging those? Or something else? It would be clearer if you gave an example
>from just a small number of figures.

All right. I posted something similar to this before.

If you have two people using the same engine, example: Shredder 9. Person 1 gets
ELO 2575. Person 2 gets an ELO 2675. The ELO RANGE Average would be 2625 +/- 50.
The ELO RANGE would be 2575-2675. This is only with 2 people. On playchess.com
there are many more.

(Example)
Engine            Elo Range Avg.         ELO RANGE
Shredder 9            2625      +/- 50   2575-2675
Shredder 8            2605      +/- 20   2585-2625

I hope this helps,

Joshua Haglund
toneewa@yahoo.com



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