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Subject: Re: CCT Gambling!!

Author: Madhavan

Date: 00:13:14 02/12/05

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On February 11, 2005 at 22:51:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 11, 2005 at 15:36:48, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On February 11, 2005 at 14:48:56, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>On February 11, 2005 at 14:19:15, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>2. Who do you think has the best chance to win?
>>>>>
>>>>>3. Which country has the best chance of winning?
>>>
>>>>I don't understand, why there are two questions. How does a country win? When
>>>>Crafty wins, does it not imply, that USA wins? (This seems to be implied by your
>>>>two questions). So, what are the exact rules for the "country prize"?
>>>
>>>
>>>I think it means this. Pretend the question is, "Which continent has the best
>>>chance of winning?" Pretend these are the participants:
>>>
>>>Shredder (single cpu)
>>>Fritz    (single cpu)
>>>Ruffian  (single cpu)
>>>Diep     (single cpu)
>>>Yace     (single cpu)
>>>Fruit    (single cpu)
>>>SOS      (single cpu)
>>>Sjeng    (single cpu)
>>>Crafty   (16-cpu Opteron)
>>>
>>>Someone might pick Crafty to win because it would have a big hardware advantage,
>>
>>Which would be wrong anyway.
>>
>>>but North America's chances of winning are low because Crafty is the only North
>>>American participant and has to beat 8 other good opponents. Chances are good
>>>that one of the European participants would be able to finish ahead of Crafty.
>>>
>>>Now pretend this is the tournament:
>>>
>>>Crafty
>>>Ferret
>>>Zappa
>>>Fruit
>>>Ruffian
>>>SOS
>>>Diep
>>>
>>>Now the chances for North America and Europe are more even.
>>
>>Though in global terms you are correct. The summation of the odds that an engine
>>wins you must take into account. In 1 game anyone can beat anyone.
>>
>>However in a tournament there is 9 rounds. The best simply wins.
>>
>>For example if in this example we keep a round robin (2 games against each
>>opponent) tournament, odds of winning are for example :
>>   Diep    :    40%
>>   Zappa   :    20%
>>   Crafty  :    15%
>>   Ruffian :    15%
>>   Fruit   :    10%
>>   SOS     :    0%
>>   Ferret  :    0%
>>
>
>Wish bruce would become active again.  I suspect he'd still hand you your
>program's "head" in a paper sack in a match.  Ferret would _still_ be strong.

yes,i agree with you Bob,yet another ridiculous statement made by Vincent :)
strange,he'd given you 15% chance of winning :)


>
>
>>Then you simply add up the chances by nation and you get your result that:
>>  Netherlands : 40%
>>  USA         : 35%
>>  Germany     : 15%
>>  France      : 10%
>>
>>In your first example you mention shredder for example. That gives already
>>Germany biggest odds.
>>
>>Unless you give Fritz (Netherlands) an unrealistic chance. It didn't win much
>>lately.
>>
>>I hope you realize that the more weak programs you add the bigger the chance is
>>the strong program wins. For example suppose a 15 round event with 10
>>participants.
>>
>>9 SOS versions fromthe very sympatique and extremely correct Rudolf Huber and 1
>>from Stefan.
>>
>>1.Shredder ( single cpu)
>>2.SOS (quad)
>>3.SOS (dual)
>>4.SOS (single)
>>5.SOS
>>6.SOS
>>7.SOS
>>8.SOS
>>9.SOS
>>10.SOS
>>
>>Shredder will win this event of course with 99% sureness.
>>
>>Vincent



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