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Subject: Re: The reason that I thought that movei kibitz also against humans

Author: John Merlino

Date: 22:29:01 02/13/05

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On February 13, 2005 at 21:08:43, Uri Blass wrote:

>I wrote here that movei kinitz against humans and it turns out that it is wrong
>and movei only whispers against them.
>
>I did not change the kibitching code for more than a year and I guess that I
>copied that code from someone else because it is not part of the chess engine
>and was not interested in it.
>
>I watched a game when movei won and kibitzed.
>
>I did not know at the time of the game if the opponent is human or computer but
>decided that the opponent has to be human for the simple fact that he resigned
>in a better position from position that a computer caanot resign even if it
>evaluates it as -2 and we know that kaspparov resigned in a draw position so
>humans can resign in positions that they believe that they are better.
>
>you can see the game at http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?410400
>for the game.
>
>surprisingly I find that the opponent was a computer(I checked now the notes
>about the opponent and it is the king3.12).
>
>Uri

If that player really was using The King, then he's using a very bad
personality. 21.Re7 is a very bad move, and my version of TK shows a drawish
score BEFORE that move, and a score of almost -2 AFTER that move.

Additionally, CM9_SKR on a P4-2.4 evaluates the final position as slightly
better for Black:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	-1.94	8269		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Bc2 Qd5
0:00	1/4	-1.86	16404		27.Bxf7+ Kh8 28.a3 Qb5 29.Qc2
0:00	1/5	-2.03	30338		27.Bxf7+ Kh8 28.a3 g5 29.d5 Qc3
0:00	1/5	-1.44	39617		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Rg8 29.Re7
0:00	1/6	-1.43	65842		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Qc1 29.Qxc1
					Nxc1 30.Rxc7 Nxb3 31.axb3
0:00	1/7	-1.39	115354		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Qc1 29.Qxc1
					Nxc1 30.Bc4 h6 31.Rxc7 Rxd4 32.Bxa6
					Bxa6 33.Rxc1
0:01	1/8	-0.75	281365		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Qc1 29.Qxc1
					Nxc1 30.Bc4 Be4 31.Rxc7 a5
0:02	2/9	-0.61	594897		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Qc1 29.Qxc1
					Nxc1 30.Bc4 Be4 31.Rxc7 Rf8 32.Re7
0:08	2/10	-0.92	1943660		27.Rxf7 Kh8 28.Qf1 Qc1 29.Qxc1
					Nxc1 30.Bc4 Be4 31.Rxc7 Bd3 32.Bxd3
					Nxd3 33.d5
0:16	2/10	-0.63	3641943		27.Bxf7+ Kh8 28.d5 Qb5 29.Kh2 Rf8
					30.Rxc7 Ba8 31.Qe7 Qb4 32.d6
0:26	2/11	-0.37	5956992		27.Bxf7+ Kh8 28.d5 Qb5 29.Kh2 Bxd5
					30.a4 Qc6 31.Qxd3 Qf6 32.Re8+ Rxe8
					33.Bxe8 Qe6
1:19	3/12	-0.17	17763110	27.Bxf7+ Kh8 28.d5 Qb5 29.Kh2 Bxd5
					30.a4 Qc6 31.Qxd3 Qf6 32.Re8+ Rxe8
					33.Bxe8 Qe6 34.Bh5

Finally, unless the operator was using some GUI that can resign automatically
(and there was a bug), the game must have been manually resigned, as TK will
never resign on its own. I suspect that the operator probably just had to go,
and killed the game.

jm



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