Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 06:39:08 02/15/05
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On February 15, 2005 at 06:53:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On February 15, 2005 at 05:34:37, Vasik Rajlich wrote: > >>On February 14, 2005 at 19:54:03, Peter Berger wrote: >> >>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:38:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>Not really. It is presmise already debated previously. It doesnt provide a new >>>>light about the thopic. Sorry. >>> >>>OK, one more (and no, I never claimed to have any special skills and ideas in >>>this area at all, that was you and Vincent :) ). One of the poor programs >>>provided with a book by me and playing with the black pieces will be out of book >>>after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd5 as happened for Crafty against Diep last year , >>>if I hadn't thought of this possibilty before - isn't that just awful ? I don't >>>think so, it's just logical. Control has become a major point IMHO , the engines >>>don't do too bad on their own. Of course it is better if you thought of some >>>potentially relevant line like this, but better nothing than random grandmaster >>>lines. Yes, you opposed this point of view multiple times before in discussions >>>with Uri , but I think you never managed to score. I'd accept a challenge btw - >>>over a good bottle of wine, champaigne, or so. >> >>Yes, this is an interesting point. A lot of "theory" is almost never played - >>everybody knows the refutations, so there are no games. A thorough book author >>will include these known refutations in his book. >> >>Your not being ready for 3. cxd5 goes in this category, since the move is a >>blunder. The problem with 3. cxd5 immediately is that after 3. .. exd5 4. Nc3 >>c6! black will take control of the b1-h7 diagonal with either 5. .. Bf5 or, if >>white tries 5. Qc2, 5. .. Ne7 followed by 6. .. Bf5. When white correctly delays >>cxd5, he will get this diagonal himself. >> >>For what it's worth, neither the Junior nor the Shredder book has this piece of >>knowledge. >> >>Vas > >Of course, Shedder has played in Tournaments more side lines than this. For >example: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Bd3 against the French. > >3. cxd is not a blunder because it doesnt mean a direct lost. It is just a >passive move. > >Correction: > >1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd exd 4. Nf3 if .... c6. > >5. Bf4..... > >your options..... 5. .... Bf5 6. e3... The position is = > >5. ... Ne7 6. Nf3 = > >The problem is not the move is a mistake. It is just a passive move. That´s >all. > >Arturo. Actually on 4. Nf3 black can play 4. .. Bd6, since .. Bf5 still can't be stopped. Of course white is ok - white is always ok. This situation just shows one of the problems with automatically generated books. 3. cxd5 is a line that must be done manually, game statistics won't help. In fact, when I first saw this game, I thought that maybe this was one of Vincent's little jokes ... Vas
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