Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:24:50 02/15/05
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On February 15, 2005 at 11:46:11, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On February 15, 2005 at 04:50:57, martin fierz wrote: > >>On February 14, 2005 at 18:57:07, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>Well, if you think that Uri´s posting are not ludicrous, we are alll entering in >>>the absurd world of Uri. >> >>i wonder what your problem is arturo. if you cannot admit that a good book is >>not worth 700 points you are either an impostor or a just a fool. do you even >>know what 700 rating points difference means? that's statistically a 99-1 result >>in a 100 games, just because of a book?? >> >>forget the absurd world of uri, yours is far more absurd... >> >>cheers >> martin > >I dont know about 700 points, but the advantages of a good book seem obvious, >and I don't understand why we are even having this debate. > >1) Extra time on the clock (say an extra 15 minutes at CCT time controls if you >have an extra 10 moves in the book). > >2) Booker (usually a strong positional player) + several engines with long think >time will + published analysis will ALWAYS play as good or better moves as the >engine. > >3) With no book you will lose the last N games of the tournament guaranteed >after your opponents figure out lines where you lose. In addition engines tend >to develop far too rapidly to put much pressure on Black when they have no book. > >4) With a good book you will tend to play openings that the engine handles well. > Example: Zappa-Pharaon. Arturo decided that Pharaon handled the main line >well, so he played a sideline (g3). Sure enough Pharaon plays a mistake (f6) >and gets a bad position. Of course, Zappa botches the endgame, but you can't >blame Arturo for that :) It seems that Artuto did specific preperation against specific strong opponents to play lines that they do not like. Note that I never claimed that this kind of preperation cannot help but I thought that nobody takes the tournament so seriously to do it(I remember claims that Crafty has 0 chances to win the WCCC because unlike CCT people will prepare so I thought that this type of preperation are only for WCCC). > >Anyway, I don't claim 700 points, but 100-200 seems definitely possible against >versus a poorly tuned book. It is possible but I still think that book is unimportant for movei. The knowledge of movei may change in the future and tuning a book to avoid lines that movei play well is simply unimportant because it is possible that it will play well some lines that it does not play well today and all the work to avoid some lines is simply useless for the future. If I have a strong engine then it may be important mainly not to avoid losing games but to win games like the example that you gave for Zappa-Pharaon. Uri
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