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Subject: Re: Most brilliant novelty from cct7 Witchess-Arasan

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 11:07:29 02/15/05

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On February 15, 2005 at 09:39:08, Vasik Rajlich wrote:

>On February 15, 2005 at 06:53:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>On February 15, 2005 at 05:34:37, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:54:03, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:38:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>>Not really. It is  presmise already debated previously. It doesnt provide a new
>>>>>light about the thopic. Sorry.
>>>>OK, one more (and no, I never claimed to have any special skills and ideas in
>>>>this area at all, that was you and Vincent :) ).  One of the poor programs
>>>>provided with a book by me and playing with the black pieces will be out of book
>>>>after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd5 as happened for Crafty against Diep last year ,
>>>>if I hadn't thought of this possibilty before - isn't that just awful ? I don't
>>>>think so, it's just logical. Control has become a major point IMHO , the engines
>>>>don't do too bad on their own. Of course it is better if you thought of some
>>>>potentially relevant line like this, but better nothing than random grandmaster
>>>>lines. Yes, you opposed this point of view multiple times before in discussions
>>>>with Uri , but I think you never managed to score. I'd accept a challenge btw -
>>>>over a good bottle of wine, champaigne, or so.
>>>Yes, this is an interesting point. A lot of "theory" is almost never played -
>>>everybody knows the refutations, so there are no games. A thorough book author
>>>will include these known refutations in his book.
>>>Your not being ready for 3. cxd5 goes in this category, since the move is a
>>>blunder. The problem with 3. cxd5 immediately is that after 3. .. exd5 4. Nc3
>>>c6! black will take control of the b1-h7 diagonal with either 5. .. Bf5 or, if
>>>white tries 5. Qc2, 5. .. Ne7 followed by 6. .. Bf5. When white correctly delays
>>>cxd5, he will get this diagonal himself.
>>>For what it's worth, neither the Junior nor the Shredder book has this piece of
>>Of course, Shedder has played in Tournaments more side lines than this. For
>>example: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Bd3 against the French.
>>3. cxd is not  a blunder because it doesnt mean a direct lost. It is just a
>>passive move.
>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd exd 4. Nf3 if .... c6.
>>5. Bf4.....
>>your options..... 5. .... Bf5 6. e3... The position is =
>>5. ... Ne7 6.  Nf3 =
>>The problem is not the move is a mistake. It is just  a passive move. Thatīs
>Actually on 4. Nf3 black can play 4. .. Bd6, since .. Bf5 still can't be
>Of course white is ok - white is always ok. This situation just shows one of the
>problems with automatically generated books. 3. cxd5 is a line that must be done
>manually, game statistics won't help.
>In fact, when I first saw this game, I thought that maybe this was one of
>Vincent's little jokes ...

It is just a joke what you have written before. The joke is to think the move is
a blunder. If you say that how I can explain you.

It would interesting what you think a blunder is. Are you clear with that

Besides, givin a simple move doesnt prove anything. Can you point out a better
proof that those moves are a direct blunder?

I am sure that your next  reply will funnier. Continue. I can read some jokes
here. :))))


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