Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 05:49:45 02/16/05
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On February 16, 2005 at 06:52:42, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >On February 15, 2005 at 14:07:29, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On February 15, 2005 at 09:39:08, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >> >>>On February 15, 2005 at 06:53:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On February 15, 2005 at 05:34:37, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:54:03, Peter Berger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:38:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Not really. It is presmise already debated previously. It doesnt provide a new >>>>>>>light about the thopic. Sorry. >>>>>> >>>>>>OK, one more (and no, I never claimed to have any special skills and ideas in >>>>>>this area at all, that was you and Vincent :) ). One of the poor programs >>>>>>provided with a book by me and playing with the black pieces will be out of book >>>>>>after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd5 as happened for Crafty against Diep last year , >>>>>>if I hadn't thought of this possibilty before - isn't that just awful ? I don't >>>>>>think so, it's just logical. Control has become a major point IMHO , the engines >>>>>>don't do too bad on their own. Of course it is better if you thought of some >>>>>>potentially relevant line like this, but better nothing than random grandmaster >>>>>>lines. Yes, you opposed this point of view multiple times before in discussions >>>>>>with Uri , but I think you never managed to score. I'd accept a challenge btw - >>>>>>over a good bottle of wine, champaigne, or so. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, this is an interesting point. A lot of "theory" is almost never played - >>>>>everybody knows the refutations, so there are no games. A thorough book author >>>>>will include these known refutations in his book. >>>>> >>>>>Your not being ready for 3. cxd5 goes in this category, since the move is a >>>>>blunder. The problem with 3. cxd5 immediately is that after 3. .. exd5 4. Nc3 >>>>>c6! black will take control of the b1-h7 diagonal with either 5. .. Bf5 or, if >>>>>white tries 5. Qc2, 5. .. Ne7 followed by 6. .. Bf5. When white correctly delays >>>>>cxd5, he will get this diagonal himself. >>>>> >>>>>For what it's worth, neither the Junior nor the Shredder book has this piece of >>>>>knowledge. >>>>> >>>>>Vas >>>> >>>>Of course, Shedder has played in Tournaments more side lines than this. For >>>>example: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Bd3 against the French. >>>> >>>>3. cxd is not a blunder because it doesnt mean a direct lost. It is just a >>>>passive move. >>>> >>>>Correction: >>>> >>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd exd 4. Nf3 if .... c6. >>>> >>>>5. Bf4..... >>>> >>>>your options..... 5. .... Bf5 6. e3... The position is = >>>> >>>>5. ... Ne7 6. Nf3 = >>>> >>>>The problem is not the move is a mistake. It is just a passive move. That´s >>>>all. >>>> >>>>Arturo. >>> >>>Actually on 4. Nf3 black can play 4. .. Bd6, since .. Bf5 still can't be >>>stopped. >>> >>>Of course white is ok - white is always ok. This situation just shows one of the >>>problems with automatically generated books. 3. cxd5 is a line that must be done >>>manually, game statistics won't help. >>> >>>In fact, when I first saw this game, I thought that maybe this was one of >>>Vincent's little jokes ... >>> >>>Vas >> >>It is just a joke what you have written before. The joke is to think the move is >>a blunder. If you say that how I can explain you. >> >>It would interesting what you think a blunder is. Are you clear with that >>concept? >> >>Besides, givin a simple move doesnt prove anything. Can you point out a better >>proof that those moves are a direct blunder? >> >>I am sure that your next reply will funnier. Continue. I can read some jokes >>here. :)))) >> >>Arturo. > >Hmmm. > >A blunder is a move that costs you 700 rating points :) > >Vas Not exactly: Go to the following links and you will understand what a blunder is. http://chess.about.com/cs/reference/g/bldefblu.htm http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/English/chessNews/articles/blunders-1.php And this especial "kind of blunder": the last blunder http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/resigntxt.htm Perhaps, you will understand what a blunder means. :) Arturo.
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