Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:14:01 02/17/05
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On February 17, 2005 at 04:41:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On February 16, 2005 at 19:26:35, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 16, 2005 at 18:52:55, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On February 16, 2005 at 15:20:31, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On February 16, 2005 at 13:58:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:56:56, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:23:07, Thomas Mayer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Arturo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did not tune the book against Movei.... I tune a book for a specific >>>>>>>> engine. Anthony accepted my help and I did my best in 2 short months. Of >>>>>>>> course, how could you understand that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>we had that discussion already in several forums. Uri has his point of view >>>>>>>(which is IMO totally wrong) and will not change that... senseless to discuss... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You might remember CCT4 -> Since then I had never again such a fantastic tuned >>>>>>>book for Quarks needs - it was the work of Leo Dijksman which he had done in >>>>>>>several month with thousands of games and analysis. Of course it was Quark which >>>>>>>was playing that tourney but it had a fantastic book that lead it to positions >>>>>>>it can play. And that is what a good book cooker should do, he should help the >>>>>>>engine to end up in positions after the opening where it knows what it should >>>>>>>do. The more time he can spent on that the better it will do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Vincencts 700 Elo might be a bit to high, but 300 is for sure a good number - >>>>>>>the difference between a random book and a well tuned book. Especially the >>>>>>>weaker or more unbalanced your engine is, the more it is important to have a >>>>>>>perfect book. >>>>>> >>>>>>It suggests that the engine is important because if the engine is not balanced >>>>>>you may solve the problem by doing it balance. >>>>> >>>>>Every component of software is important including the book. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe for a weak engine even Vincents 700 is possible... >>>>>> >>>>>>I think that if the engine is too weak no book will help it unless you predict >>>>>>perfectly the opoenent moves. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not see how you can do tscp 700 elo better by a book and tscp is not the >>>>>>weakest engine in the world. >>>>>> >>>>>>I guess that a book for weaker engines will be even less productive. >>>>> >>>>>How do you know that? What are you proofs? You only guess and how can you >>>>>support this? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If someone want to prove me wrong he is invited to try to improve tscp rating of >>>>>>1699 in the WBEC site to 2400(slightly better than Amateur,Betsy,Leila) >>>>>> >>>>>>The rating should hold also against new opponents(that were still not released) >>>>>>because when I talk about book the idea is not to have killer book that work >>>>>>only against specific opponents with known books that is of course possible >>>>>>after lot of work when you put win after win in the book. >>>>> >>>>>No, you are not so important so somebody wastes his valuable time in your absurd >>>>>contrdictions. :) It is enough to point your nonsense here. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>What you dont tunderstand is the Vincent's sense. Because your lack of >>>>>credibility, he just put a extreme point. You think that a no-book engine can >>>>>wint a Title.Prove that in Tournaments. >>>> >>>> >>>>I did not say that my engine can do it so there is nothing that I need to prove. >>>>I never claimed that movei can win a title. >>>> >>>>I do not think that it can do it today and even if I will think sometimes in the >>>>future that it can do it I plan to say nothing about it before it wins. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>On the contrary, you _dont_ have anything to prove because you cannot support >>>your suppositions on real facts. You _deny_ what you have been repeating for >>>years since you cannot hold your weak position. >> >>You simply misunderstood me. >>I never claimed that a better book cannot help movei to score better. >> > >Correction: you say a book is not important. Yes You say a no-book engine is as >strong as a book engine. No You say a no-book engine can win a title. Yes It has never >happen Yes and it will never happen. We do not know > >>I remember that I said that book is not important but I did not mean to your >>interpretation. >>of course a good book may be exactly what strong but not very strong engine >>need to win a tournament but if the engine is very strong it has good chances to >>win even without book. > >Where ae your proofs about it? I have not seen the first Tournament where it has >happened? How you can repeat that? :) A lie repeated 1000 times can become true >for some people. > >> >2>It is possible that zappa needed exactly your book to win CCT7(I do not know) >>but shredder9 had good chances to do it even with movei book so from my point of >>view movei did not win the tournament because it is weaker than shredder9 and >>not because of lack of good book(this is the way that I prefer to look at >>things). >> >>Uri > >This is just a assumption that you have repeated for years. However, you have >failed to prove this assumpstion. How could you explain that it is correct? >Since you hold this position (very absurd in my opinion), you will continue >givin easy points to your opponents. As I have told you, it is great because you >will be beated again and again. :) Your conclusion is wrong. I do not say that movei will not use better book in future events. The only correct facts are that I do not plan to spend a significant time about building it and I do not plan to pay to somebody who will build a better book. Uri
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