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Subject: Re: WAC's not much of a test any more for computers ...

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 13:52:39 02/17/05

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On February 16, 2005 at 20:54:21, Scott Gasch wrote:

>I'd be surprised to see many engines solve wac002 in under 5 seconds _with a PV
>that includes a promotion_.

Yace should show a promotion under 5 s even on Dann's old PC. Here it needs 1.3
s with 50 MB hash:

    978963   1.000   0.97  9.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rc1 Kc6
   1298228   1.297   1.37 10++ 1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rb7 d2 8.Rb8 c1=Q 9.e4 {501}
   1610897   1.640   2.37 10++ 1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rb7 d2 8.Rb8 c1=Q 9.e4 {501}
   2104718   2.187   2.93 10t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb7 c2 7.Rxh7 d2 8.Rc7+ Kd6 9.Rxc2 d1=Q+
                               10.Re2 Kd5 {341}
   2214552   2.297   2.93 10.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb7 c2 7.Rxh7 d2 8.Rc7+ Kd6 9.Rxc2 d1=Q+
                               10.Re2 Kd5 {341}
   3174865   3.297   3.33 11++ 1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb7 c2 7.Rxh7 d2 8.Rc7+ Kb6 9.Kf2 d1=Q
                               10.Rd7 {421}
   5357756   5.640   3.70 11t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rc1 Kb5 8.Kg3 d2 9.Rxc2 d1=QH
                               {421}
   5467870   5.765   3.70 11.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc5 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rc1 Kb5 8.Kg3 d2 9.Rxc2 d1=Q
                               {421}
   9055500   9.593   3.87 12t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc7 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rc1 Kd7H 8.Kg3H d2H 9.Rxc2H
                               d1=QH 10.Rc5H Qg1+H 11.Kf3H Ke6H {421}
   9375332   9.937   3.87 12.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Rb7+ Kd6 5.Rb6+
                               Kc7 6.Rb1 c2 7.Rc1 Kd7 8.Kg3 d2 9.Rxc2 d1=Q
                               10.Rc5 Qg1+ 11.Kf3 Ke6 {421}
  17280820  18.422   4.00 13t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6 d2
                               6.Rxc2 d1=Q 7.Rc7+ Ke6 8.Rxh7 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qd5+
                               10.Kf2 Qa2+ 11.Kf3 Qxa3 12.Ra7 {421}
  18975367  20.218   4.00 13.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6 d2
                               6.Rxc2 d1=Q 7.Rc7+ Ke6 8.Rxh7 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qd5+
                               10.Kf2 Qa2+ 11.Kf3 Qxa3 12.Ra7 {421}
  32832950  35.703   4.03 14t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6 d2
                               6.Rxc2 d1=Q 7.Rc7+ Ke6 8.Rxh7 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qd5+
                               10.Ke2 Qa2+ 11.Kd1 {341}
  35530301  38.734   4.03 14.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6 d2
                               6.Rxc2 d1=Q 7.Rc7+ Ke6 8.Rxh7 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qd5+
                               10.Ke2 Qa2+ 11.Kd1 {341}
  64974205  1:10.7   4.43 15++ 1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6
                               Kd7 6.Rc5 d2 7.Rxc2 d1=Q 8.Rc5 Qd2+ 9.Kf1 Qxe3
                               10.Ra5 Qxa3 11.h4 {581}
  97656603  1:47.0   4.58 15t  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6
                               Kd7 6.Rc5 d2 7.Rxc2 d1=Q 8.Rc5 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qxh2
                               10.Rxf5 Qh3+ 11.Ke4 Qh1+ {HT} {421}
 103839043  1:53.4   4.58 15.  1...Rxb2 2.Rxb2 c3 3.Rb6+ Ke7 4.Kf2 c2 5.Rc6
                               Kd7 6.Rc5 d2 7.Rxc2 d1=Q 8.Rc5 Qd2+ 9.Kf3 Qxh2
                               10.Rxf5 Qh3+ 11.Ke4 Qh1+ {HT} {421}

>It seems like this is a position that overvaluing
>passers can help you solve quickly.

Yes. I think in Yace, I am using rather small values, unless really convinced,
that the pawns are very good. For example for 2Ps vs. R I am using a (hopefully)
carefully crafted lookup table that includes pawn positions and the pos of the
defending K.

BTW. pos 100 can be faster solved for small connected passed pawn values.

Regards,
Dieter



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