Author: Milorad Madjar
Date: 02:40:44 02/19/05
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On February 19, 2005 at 05:12:17, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>On February 19, 2005 at 04:37:35, Milorad Madjar wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2005 at 03:48:22, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On February 19, 2005 at 03:35:25, Milorad Madjar wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 19, 2005 at 01:44:15, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please do not think that CM10k will play better
>>>>> if you find a setting being able to find the
>>>>> solution in this specific position.
>>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>>I know that, but I put question
>>>>
>>>>"Who have the setting which understand this position ?"
>>>>
>>>>I want know did you or someone solve this big problem in The King 3.33 .
>>>>I'm not yet.
>>>>
>>>>Milan
>>>
>>> Hi Milan
>>> As you can see, CM9k default does not play 20...Qb6?
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>>[D]2r2rk1/4bpp1/p1bp1n1p/q7/1p2PBP1/3B3P/PPP3Q1/1KNR3R b - - 0 20
>>>
>>>CM9 Default P4 1.8/32 MB hash
>>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves
>>>0:00 1/6 0.18 51244 20...Qb6 21.Qe2 Rce8 22.Nb3 d5
>>> 23.Be3
>>>0:00 1/6 -0.07 70474 20...d5 21.g5 Nxe4 22.gxh6 g6 23.Nb3
>>> Qb6 24.Rhe1
>>>0:01 1/7 -0.02 193157 20...d5 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.Nd2 Rfe8
>>> 23.Rhe1 Bc5 24.exd5 Bxd5
>>>0:03 1/8 -0.08 361474 20...d5 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.Qg1 Qxg1
>>> 23.Rhxg1 Nxe4 24.Bxa6
>>>0:07 1/9 0.07 974851 20...d5 21.g5 Nxe4 22.gxh6 g6 23.Nb3
>>> Qb6 24.Nd2 Nxd2+ 25.Rxd2 Bf6 26.Bd6
>>>0:20 1/10 0.03 2652467 20...d5 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.e5 Ne4 23.Qe2
>>> Rfd8 24.Bxa6 Ra8 25.Bd3 Qa7
>>>0:55 2/11 0.16 7503635 20...d5 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.e5 Ne4 23.Qe2
>>> Bb7 24.Bxe4 dxe4 25.Rd7 Rfe8 26.Rf1
>>>2:21 3/12 0.09 19852698 20...d5 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.e5 Ne4 23.Rhf1
>>> a5 24.Qf3 Bb7 25.Qe3 Qc7 26.Nd4
>>>8:02 4/13 0.20 69110058 20...d5 21.g5 Nxe4 22.gxh6 g6 23.h4
>>> Rfe8 24.h7+ Kh8 25.Be5+ Kxh7 26.Nb3
>>> Qb6 27.h5 g5 28.Bd4 Qc7 29.Bxa6
>>
>>Yes, I know that,
>>but 20....d5 it is not good move it is little better move and CM9 Default don't
>>understand this position too. After 20...d5 you can again play 21.g5!!!!.
>> Evaluations 0.20 is wrong too in this position after 20 ... d5.
>>Shredder 8 - The King 3.33 Milan 1.7c
>>
>>2r2rk1/4bpp1/p1b2n1p/q2p4/1p2PBP1/3B3P/PPP3Q1/1KNR3R w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>
>>1. ± (1.18): 21.g5 Nxe4 22.gxh6
>>2. = (0.19): 21.Nb3 Qb6 22.g5 hxg5
>>3. ³ (-0.34): 21.e5 Ne4 22.Nb3 Qb6 23.g5 Bxg5 24.Rhg1 Qf2 25.Bxg5 Qxg2 26.Rxg2
>>a5 27.Nxa5
>>4. µ (-1.16): 21.Qe2 dxe4 22.Bxa6 Ra8
>>5. µ (-1.38): 21.Be2 Nxe4 22.Nb3 Qa4 23.Be5
>>
>>(s, s 19.02.2005)
>>
>>Milan
>
>
> Hi Milan
> The problem is that Black's position is
> bad anyway and most probably already lost.
> Or what move would you suggest 20... ???
20...Tfe8 !!??
> Kurt
Hi Kurt,
you say :"Black's position is bad anyway and most probably already lost.",
but it is not essence , I want say that The King don't understand this position,
see The King evaluations after 20. move to 25. move or 35.move.
[Event "57-17"]
[Site "s"]
[Date "2005.02.18"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Shredder 8"]
[Black "The King 3.33 Milan 1.7c"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B66"]
[Annotator "s,s"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2005.02.18"]
[Source "k"]
1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... d6 {0} 3. d4 {0} 3... cxd4 {0} 4. Nxd4 {0
} 4... Nf6 {0} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... Nc6 {0} 6. Bg5 {0} 6... e6 {0} 7. Qd2 {0} 7...
a6 {0} 8. O-O-O {0} 8... h6 {0} 9. Be3 {0} 9... Be7 {0} 10. f4 {0} 10... Bd7 {0
} 11. h3 {0} 11... b5 {0} 12. Bd3 {0} 12... Nxd4 {0} 13. Bxd4 {0} 13... b4 {0}
14. Ne2 {0} 14... e5 {0} 15. Be3 {0} 15... Qa5 {0} 16. Kb1 {0} 16... O-O {0}
17. g4 {0} 17... Rac8 {0.02/10 53} 18. Nc1 {-0.10/14 57} 18... Bc6 {
(Ba4) -0.04/10 23} 19. Qg2 {(Nb3) 0.21/15 58} 19... exf4 {0.09/11 36} 20. Bxf4
{0.21/16 29} 20... Qb6 {?????????????????(Rfe8) 0.09/10 23} (20... d5) 21. g5 {
(Rhg1) 1.33/15 47} 21... hxg5 {0.15/11 36} 22. Rhg1 {1.33/16 58} 22... Nh7 {
(g6) 0.17/10 32} 23. h4 {(Nb3) 2.28/14 56} 23... f6 {(Bb5) 0.51/9 31} 24. hxg5
{(Qg4) 3.52/13 33} 24... fxg5 {1.17/10 54} 25. Qh3 {3.78/14 89} 25... gxf4 {
(Qb7) 1.27/9 22} 26. Qe6+ {3.49/13 33} 26... Rf7 {1.68/10 11} 27. Qxc8+ {
3.54/15 26} 27... Nf8 {1.61/11 21} 28. Bc4 {3.42/16 44} 28... d5 {
(Bxe4) 2.03/12 30} 29. Bxd5 {(exd5) 4.18/15 22} 29... Bxd5 {1.86/11 10} 30.
exd5 {4.21/16 40} 30... f3 {2.19/10 39} 31. Rh1 {(Nd3) 4.20/15 23} 31... Rf6 {
(a5) 1.90/10 25} 32. Qh3 {(Nd3) 4.32/14 24} 32... f2 {1.77/9 24} 33. Nd3 {
(Qg4) 4.31/14 23} 33... Bd6 {2.35/10 24} 34. Qh8+ {(Rdf1) 4.27/14 23} 34... Kf7
{1.81/2 0} 35. Rdf1 {(Qh3) 4.19/14 17} 35... Qd4 {(a5) 2.24/10 24} 36. Qh5+ {
(Qh3) 4.33/14 21} 36... Kg8 {2.67/10 14} 37. Rh4 {4.14/15 24} 37... Qe3 {
3.07/10 20} 38. Rh3 {4.38/15 18} 38... Bg3 {(Qh6) 3.25/11 23} 39. b3 {
(d6) 4.09/14 27} 39... Rh6 {2.43/11 14} 40. Qg4 {4.33/14 13} 40... Rxh3 {
3.31/11 14} 41. Qxh3 {4.38/15 10} 41... g6 {(g5) 3.65/11 18} 42. Qg2 {
4.26/15 17} 42... Qe2 {3.84/12 22} 43. Nxf2 {4.35/16 12} 43... Kg7 {
(a5) 3.94/11 14} 44. Qg1 {4.47/16 11} 44... Nd7 {(Qe3) 4.09/11 14} 45. Nd3 {
4.93/14 8} 45... a5 {(Bh2) 4.42/11 20} 46. d6 {(Rc1) 5.08/14 26} 46... Bh2 {
4.17/12 20} 47. Qh1 {(Re1) 6.11/14 15} 47... Bxd6 {3.90/11 11} 48. Re1 {
6.09/15 15} 48... Qg4 {6.30/11 11} 49. Qd5 {5.84/15 61} 49... Bf8 {
(Qg3) 7.10/12 19} 50. Ne5 {(Rf1) 6.21/14 10} 50... Qf5 {7.08/12 9} 51. Qxd7+ {
(Qb7) 6.19/15 12} 51... Qxd7 {6.95/13 9} 52. Nxd7 {6.89/18 11} 1-0
Milan
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