Author: stuart taylor
Date: 07:16:47 02/21/05
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On February 20, 2005 at 23:37:20, Mark Young wrote: >On February 20, 2005 at 21:25:53, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On February 20, 2005 at 20:20:43, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On February 20, 2005 at 18:24:57, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:44:46, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:14:12, walt irvin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>i have tested shredder 9 for about 3 days now. at first i tested it on a 600 mhz >>>>>>athlon . on that it did ok but did not dominate ,fritz 6 ,8 ,dfritz 7 gave it >>>>>>some problems as did ruffian and chess tiger 14 . but today i try it on my 2.1 >>>>>>ghz athlon and im surprised at the result... it seems shredder gets alot more >>>>>>out of the increse speed than fritz or tiger ,,, >>>>> >>>>>I have seen this also. When you let Shredder 9 go deep. Shredder 9 will dominate >>>>>the other programs. >>>> >>>>If that's the case, I couldn't ask for more! >>>> >>>>Even in five to ten years from now, when there might be quicker software, >>>>Shredder 9 might still be near the top. >>>> >>>>So what happens if you make a tournament at 10 hours each player per game, on >>>>the above 2Ghz. hardware? Will Shredder 9 avoid almost any losses? If so, >>>>that'swhat I've been waiting for a long time. >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>> >>>Shredder 9 plays at a very high level....but you have to understand that chess >>>is very deep and wide. Programs are a very long way from perfect play outside of >>>6 man TB. >>> >>>My guess would be Shredder 9 would be crushed in 5 to 10 years. Like Fritz 5.32 >>>is crushed by Shredder 9 today. >> >>I find that very hard to believe. It's not all that easy to explain why. But It >>seems that it's much more difficult today to push chess level as quickly as it >>used to be done, because it's a much greater job to do so. MOST of chess, I >>think, has been solved. Let's say, about nine tenths of it. But the last tenth >>contains everything which has not yet been solved, which is a huge amount. >>I mean, that's my thought! > >All I can say is....You have a right to be wrong. If you think chess is 90% >solved. > > >>(I mean, perhaps as a rough estimate, computer chess might have solved eight >>tenths, and human chess, about nine tenths, except that machines are much more >>faultless, so they score about (almost) equally to the top humans. And the last >>tenth is still left. And for computers, the last two tenths). >>S.Taylor > >You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you think humans and programs >are near the bottom of that hole. I reserve the right to be wrong with my predictions about this. But it's an interesting thing to discuss why I think so, and to hear ideas to the contrary. S.Taylor
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