Author: enrico carrisco
Date: 13:16:08 02/21/05
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On February 21, 2005 at 10:19:47, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >On February 17, 2005 at 11:57:18, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >>On February 17, 2005 at 10:06:16, Peter Skinner wrote: >> >>>On February 17, 2005 at 06:44:44, Tony Werten wrote: >>> >>>>Please explain why you think that Shredder UCI is the one with the limited >>>>functionality ? >>>> >>>>Tony >>> >>>It's not the one with limited functionality. In fact your able to use it in more >>>interfaces. >>> >>>The problem is that you _don't_ get to use the proper book for it anywhere. >>> >>>With UCI it is supposed to be the "Universal" interface, yet the author of the >>>standard limits the usage in his own engine. I just don't get it. >> >>The UCI design clearly puts the interface in control of quite a few things. Book >>handling was one of them. By design UCI didn't provide for book usage outside >>the GUI. The *possibility* to do so with "ownbook" was added afterwards, as I >>understand it. There are some additional issues with learning that must be >>dealth with when you use ownbook. Most people never seem to have gotten that >>correct, and as a result there's now "ucinewgame". "Ownbook" has many more >>limitations related to the GUI interaction and is basically an ugly hack. >> >>If you want own book access outside the native GUI, you must duplicate all book >>code from the GUI into the engine. Or do all book handling natively, but then >>the GUI can't have a nice book editor and so on. Or put all book handling code >>in a DLL which both engine and GUI can access. >> >>Either solution is quite a bit of extra work. >> >>So please, stop asking yourself why Shredder, as the first UCI engine, doesn't >>support "ownbook". The protocol was never intended to support that concept in >>the first place. If it was, I'm sure the workings of it would be about 100000x >>better than they are now. >> >>-- >>GCP > > >Thanks Gian-Carlo, this is pretty much my point of view. Still I know that there >are many requests to use Shredder's book outside his GUI and I will try to find >a solution to this. > >Stefan Considering Sandro's book is already among the best -- perhaps reinventing the wheel on book learning at the engine level isn't necessary. Maybe just making sure the same line isn't played repetitively to avoid possible book hole exploits will suffice. Alternatively, one could make a more narrow book for the "ownbook" usage and keep things simple. Perhaps users can accept the trade off for such a feature and perform any serious "tournament" matches within the native classic GUI. Regards, -elc.
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