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Subject: Re: Pondering while still in book.

Author: Pallav Nawani

Date: 04:36:22 02/23/05

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On February 23, 2005 at 04:45:32, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 23, 2005 at 04:18:03, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On February 23, 2005 at 03:07:35, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 23, 2005 at 00:51:25, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've noticed that GNUChess ponders from the very first move of the game, even
>>>>though it is still in book.  Is this a usual practice?
>>>>
>>>>Does this give some advantage to the search when the game drops out of book,
>>>>since the hash table may have some relevant entries?
>>>
>>>I do not do it in Movei.
>>>
>>>Movei is too weak to even consider to implement such stuff that maybe gives 1
>>>rating point.
>>>
>>>I think that it is significant work to check for no bugs in such code and in the
>>>same time of working on the code I can get more rating points from implementing
>>>different stuff.
>>
>>The point of first exit from the book is very important.  Many programs give a
>>double time increment on book exit.  This is a very clever strategy by GnuChess
>>and I think it may be more valuable than you imagine.
>>
>>Of course, you can only do it in ponder mode.
>
>I do not think that the first move out of book is more important to use
>time in it than other moves(I see no logical reason to use in move 11 twice the
>time that you use in move 12 and not using in move 12 twice the time that you
>use in move 13 and the fact that the program is out of book first in move 11 and
>not in move 12 may be dependent in the choice of the book).
>
>In part of the cases the program does not predict correctly the opponent move
>when it is out of book so my estimate is that it is not going to give you more
>than 1 elo.
>
>Uri

It can be useful if your engine comes out of a book in a position it does not
understand. When Natwarlal comes out of book showing a negative score, it uses
upto 3 times of the normal time allocation to try to find a better move. This
can sometimes save games.

Pallav




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