Author: stuart taylor
Date: 15:04:23 02/23/05
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On February 23, 2005 at 14:33:59, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On February 23, 2005 at 08:12:18, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On February 23, 2005 at 01:19:18, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On February 22, 2005 at 21:12:16, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On February 22, 2005 at 18:54:06, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>Maybe Shredder 9 will not score better than Shredder 7.04 in the match against >>>>>Junior 9, but it will win...the problem are the statistics: >>>>> >>>>>the statistics are based on human games and do have mostly a negative effect as >>>>>they tend to give a preference to the moves which did well to be played first >>>>>and playing the alternatives later...normally the program will do better with >>>>>the alternatives and therefore scoring better in the middle and end part of the >>>>>match... >>>>> >>>>>I normally use statistics off... >>>>> >>>>>Sandro >>>> >>>>I didn't understand. Is this an explanation how it is that Shredder 7.04 is >>>>doing that much better, without it meaning it has something in it which is >>>>superior to something which is in Shredder 9? >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>First of all you are comparing a final match score against part of the match >>>score. >>> >>>I am telling you why Shredder 9 may have not a very good start. >>> >>>Shredder 7.04 was lucky to have found a weakness in Junior 9. >>> >>>Shredder 9 may will too or not. I did not tested against it so I do not know. >>>I only know that will win. >>> >>>You are wrong in making conclusions in one match only... >>> >>>How do you explain than Shredder 7.04 is loosing against Shredder 9? >>> >>>Shredder 9 is the strongest Shredder and is about 30 points stronger than >>>Shredder 8 as people found out here too. >>>I say about because I am not interested in finding out exactly. I am already >>>working on Shredder 10... >>> >>>Shredder 7.04 is weaker than Shredder 8, running in the same GUI. >>> >>>Sandro >> >>I'm still excited over Shredder 9, but can you tell me what is being done for >>Shredder 10? And you do only the openings? > >Yes, but I will test the engines and the book to make further improvements. it >is a team work... > >>Do you see Shredder 10 as being another great improvement, over Shredder 9? > >We have just started to work on it. As soon a version is released we start >working on the next one. >As soon as a version is released it is "old" for me as we have to start thinking >how to make improvements on the next version. >When we have made the improvements we planned we will think about commercial >release...better to start soon to be sure we will be able to have "something" >better in the future... > >Don't you agree? > >>Please e-mail me if you can't say it all here. >>thanks >>S.Taylor > >You welcome > >Sandro In that case, the Shredder team seems to still be very much alive, and version 10 might also be a winner. I wonder if any other program team (for the top programs) is also in the same high spirits about its upcoming releases. We hear nothing more of Tiger, and not too much of any others. Are they working quietly? S.Taylor
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