Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 22:28:02 02/23/05
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On February 23, 2005 at 18:04:23, stuart taylor wrote: >On February 23, 2005 at 14:33:59, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On February 23, 2005 at 08:12:18, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2005 at 01:19:18, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On February 22, 2005 at 21:12:16, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 22, 2005 at 18:54:06, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Maybe Shredder 9 will not score better than Shredder 7.04 in the match against >>>>>>Junior 9, but it will win...the problem are the statistics: >>>>>> >>>>>>the statistics are based on human games and do have mostly a negative effect as >>>>>>they tend to give a preference to the moves which did well to be played first >>>>>>and playing the alternatives later...normally the program will do better with >>>>>>the alternatives and therefore scoring better in the middle and end part of the >>>>>>match... >>>>>> >>>>>>I normally use statistics off... >>>>>> >>>>>>Sandro >>>>> >>>>>I didn't understand. Is this an explanation how it is that Shredder 7.04 is >>>>>doing that much better, without it meaning it has something in it which is >>>>>superior to something which is in Shredder 9? >>>>>S.Taylor >>>> >>>>First of all you are comparing a final match score against part of the match >>>>score. >>>> >>>>I am telling you why Shredder 9 may have not a very good start. >>>> >>>>Shredder 7.04 was lucky to have found a weakness in Junior 9. >>>> >>>>Shredder 9 may will too or not. I did not tested against it so I do not know. >>>>I only know that will win. >>>> >>>>You are wrong in making conclusions in one match only... >>>> >>>>How do you explain than Shredder 7.04 is loosing against Shredder 9? >>>> >>>>Shredder 9 is the strongest Shredder and is about 30 points stronger than >>>>Shredder 8 as people found out here too. >>>>I say about because I am not interested in finding out exactly. I am already >>>>working on Shredder 10... >>>> >>>>Shredder 7.04 is weaker than Shredder 8, running in the same GUI. >>>> >>>>Sandro >>> >>>I'm still excited over Shredder 9, but can you tell me what is being done for >>>Shredder 10? And you do only the openings? >> >>Yes, but I will test the engines and the book to make further improvements. it >>is a team work... >> >>>Do you see Shredder 10 as being another great improvement, over Shredder 9? >> >>We have just started to work on it. As soon a version is released we start >>working on the next one. >>As soon as a version is released it is "old" for me as we have to start thinking >>how to make improvements on the next version. >>When we have made the improvements we planned we will think about commercial >>release...better to start soon to be sure we will be able to have "something" >>better in the future... >> >>Don't you agree? >> >>>Please e-mail me if you can't say it all here. >>>thanks >>>S.Taylor >> >>You welcome >> >>Sandro > >In that case, the Shredder team seems to still be very much alive, and version >10 might also be a winner. For Stefan is a job and for me a hobby, but we both get fun with it...that's the plan and our hope too. >I wonder if any other program team (for the top programs) is also in the same >high spirits about its upcoming releases. I do not know it, but this is the way we have been doing so far and we still are. >We hear nothing more of Tiger, and not too much of any others. Are they working >quietly? I guess so, however we are not making any claims too. >S.Taylor Sandro
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