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Subject: Re: Computational question for mathematicians, philosophers & computer-geeks

Author: Reinhard Scharnagl

Date: 02:52:18 03/03/05

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On March 03, 2005 at 05:18:27, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:

>On March 03, 2005 at 04:57:19, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2005 at 02:39:16, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:
>>
>>>there might be possibilities to store chess positions in some few less bits if
>>>always THE COMPLETE PIECESET is used for both sides. But I hardly could imagine
>>>that 100 bits should be sufficient even then.
>>
>>Only little more than 100 bits will be needed for positions with all pieces on
>>the board. On each file, there will be 2 pawns. There are only 10 possible pp
>>configurations. Of these we can count 2 twice for a possible ep-target, so we
>>have 12. There are less than 4096 KK-configurations including castling rights (I
>>forgot the actual number). So only 14 pieces are missing. Even if I don't use
>>the fact, that both bishops will have different square color, I get:
>>
>>  2*12^8*4096*46!/(32!*2*2*2*2*2*2) = ~2^110
>>
>>46!/32! is for the 14 remaining pieces on 46 remaining squares. Six times the
>>factor 2 is for the indistinguishable pieces. Factor 2 at the start for side to
>>move. I doubt, that this can be reduced by many orders of magnitude. 100 bits
>>might be possible.
>
>Hi Dieter,
>
>in each file there will be 15 possible valid pP configurations, not only 10:
>
>01: -p----P-
>02: -p---P--
>03: -p--P---
>04: -p-P----
>05: -pP-----
>06: --p---P-
>07: --p--P--
>08: --p-P---
>09: --pP----
>10: ---p--P-
>11: ---p-P--
>12: ---pP---
>13: ----p-P-
>14: ----pP--
>15: -----pP-

Hi Dieter,

I have to correct myself.

When I try to make a calculation:

Pawn constellations at 8 files:      15^8
placing white w Bishop in average:   8
placing white b Bishop in average:   8
placing black w Bishop in average:   7
placing black b Bishop in average:   7
placing 2 white Knights:             28*27/2
placing 2 black Knights:             26*25/2
placing 2 white Rooks:               24*23/2
placing 2 black Rooks:               22*21/2
placing white Queen:                 20
placing black Queen:                 19
placing white King:                  18
placing black King:                  17
side to move                         2
e.p. is possible or not              2
affected e.p. file                   8
castling rights (s+w)                4*4
--------------------------------------------
estimated possibilities              (2^11)*(15^8)*(7^2)*28!/16!

this is meaning about 101.5 bits.

Reinhard.





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