Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Microcomputers vs. Grandmasters

Author: Matt Frank

Date: 17:26:38 01/29/99

Go up one level in this thread



>>The Williamette chip will run 50% faster than a comparably MHZ pentium chip, and
>>the 1 gig Ram will provide an increase in hash tables on the magnitude of 4
>>doublings i doubling of hash tables = 7 elo), (1) 64 to 128, (2) 128 to 256, (3)
>>256 to 512 and, (4) 512 to 1 gig = 28 elo. Specifically, Hiarcs 7 on 200 MHZ 64
>>ram = 2576: Consequently, a Williamette processor running at 1600 MHZ = 2400 MHZ
>>pentium 2. Therefore a 12 fold increase represents 2 * 2 * 2 * .5 = 67.5 elo +
>>67.5 + 67.5 + 33.75 = (240.25 elo) + 28 elo for the increased hash tables = 28
>>elo + 268.25 elo + 2576 elo = 2844.25 elo, OK.
>>
>>Matt Frank

>Maybe. but if that was the case, why didn't the first version of Deep Blue
>(running at about 25x faster than the Williamette processor) not crush Kasparov
>in the first match? And it only won the second match because Kasparov psyched
>himself out by playing inferior out of opening book type of lines. Deep Blue was
>based on Deep Thought, so there is no way that the algorithms were inferior.
>
>Current programs run at about 300K nodes per second (for the quick evaluation
>type programs, i.e. less chess knowledge). On the Williamette processor, that
>would mean a 3.6M nodes per second. Deep Blue ran at 100M nodes in the first
>match and 200M nodes in the second. This means that the Williamette chip should
>be about 32x slower or 338 elo (5 x 67.5) less than the Deep Blue for the first
>version and 405 elo less in the second version. That would put Deep Blue II at
>2981 (2576 vs. computers elo + 405). Obviously way too high.
>
>I have a feeling that the doubling equation starts to fall apart at the higher
>speeds. I will remind you of your prediction in 2 ot 3 years when the programs
>still aren't beating the superGMs at standard times (and you can remind me of
>mine).
>
>KarinsDad :)

See my post to Dann at 20:21:44, for an explanation.

Matt Frank



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.