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Subject: Re: 2 "unsolved" positions

Author: m.d.hurd

Date: 12:31:51 03/06/05

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On March 06, 2005 at 14:22:29, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On March 06, 2005 at 09:46:02, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>These positions remain unsolved years now in 10 minutes:
>>
>>[D]1q1r3k/3P1pp1/ppBR1n1p/4Q2P/P4P2/8/5PK1/8 w - - bm Rxf6
>>[D]r1b1k2r/pp3ppp/4pb2/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - bm Rd8+
>>
>>Any solutions?
>>
>>Jouni
>
>For #2, not solved after a 20 minute 5.3 billion node search although I beleive
>it is consider the second best move.  Ng5 here looks very good here and maybe
>better than Rd8.
>
>Seaching just Rd8, it is a point behind Ng5 after a 15 ply search..
>
>    15->   6:59   0.66   1. Rd8+ Bxd8 2. Bxc5 Be7 3. Qd2 f5
>                         4. Bxe7 Kxe7 5. Bxf5 g6 6. Be4 Kf7
>                         7. Qh6 Ke8 8. Qg5 Kf7 9. Ne5+ Kg7
>
>Black(1): r1b1k2r/pp3ppp/4pb2/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - bm Rd8+
>White(1): go
>              time surplus  29.92  time limit 20:00 (20:00)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>                8     0.60   0.46   1. Ng5 h6 2. Nh7 Bxd4 3. Bxd4 Qb4 4.
>                                    Bxg7 Qxe4 5. Qxe4 Nxe4 6. Bxh8
>                8->   0.89   0.46   1. Ng5 h6 2. Nh7 Bxd4 3. Bxd4 Qb4 4.
>                                    Bxg7 Qxe4 5. Qxe4 Nxe4 6. Bxh8
>                9     1.99   0.75   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. R4d2 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 Qe5
>                                    4. Qe3 Nxe4 5. Rxd7 O-O 6. Rxb7
>                9->   2.57   0.75   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. R4d2 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 Qe5
>                                    4. Qe3 Nxe4 5. Rxd7 O-O 6. Rxb7
>               10     5.55   1.13   1. Ng5 Bxd4 2. Bxd4 Qa3 3. Bxh7 Bd7
>                                    4. Bxg7 O-O-O 5. Bxh8 Rxh8
>               10->   6.82   1.13   1. Ng5 Bxd4 2. Bxd4 Qa3 3. Bxh7 Bd7
>                                    4. Bxg7 O-O-O 5. Bxh8 Rxh8
>               11    19.14   1.16   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. R4d2 Bxg5
>                                    4. Bxg5 f5 5. Bxb7 Rc7 6. Ba8 O-O
>               11->  23.33   1.16   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. R4d2 Bxg5
>                                    4. Bxg5 f5 5. Bxb7 Rc7 6. Ba8 O-O
>               12    48.14   1.24   1. Ng5 h6 2. R4d2 O-O 3. Bxc5 Bxg5
>                                    4. f4 Bxf4 5. Rd8 Bxh2+ 6. Kh1 Bd6
>                                    7. R1xd6 Qxa2 8. Rxf8+ Kxf8
>               12->   1:04   1.24   1. Ng5 h6 2. R4d2 O-O 3. Bxc5 Bxg5
>                                    4. f4 Bxf4 5. Rd8 Bxh2+ 6. Kh1 Bd6
>                                    7. R1xd6 Qxa2 8. Rxf8+ Kxf8
>               13     2:14   1.37   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Bf6 Qxc2 6. Qh5+ Kg8
>                                    7. Bxg7 Qh7 8. Qxc5 b6 9. Qe7
>               13->   3:18   1.37   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Bf6 Qxc2 6. Qh5+ Kg8
>                                    7. Bxg7 Qh7 8. Qxc5 b6 9. Qe7
>               14     5:19   1.66   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Rh4+ Kg8 6. Qh3 f6
>                                    7. Rh8+ Kf7 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Be3 Nb3
>                                    10. Bc5+ Nxc5 11. Qxc5+ Kf7 12. Rxd7+
>               14->   8:08   1.66   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Rh4+ Kg8 6. Qh3 f6
>                                    7. Rh8+ Kf7 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Be3 Nb3
>                                    10. Bc5+ Nxc5 11. Qxc5+ Kf7 12. Rxd7+
>                                    (s=2)
>               15    13:20   1.68   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. Nxh7 Nxe4
>                                    4. Rxd7 Rxh7 5. Qxe4 Rh4 6. Qf3 Qe5
>                                    7. h3 Qe4 8. Qxe4 Rxe4 9. Rxb7 Rxc2
>                                    10. Rxa7
>               15    19:45   7/50*  1. Rd6
>
>              time=20:00  cpu=32827%  mat=-1  n=5330941885  fh=95%  nps=4.44M
>              ext-> chk=398623717 cap=8763266 pp=201930 1rep=27144258 mate=19895
>71
>              predicted=1  nodes=5330941885  evals=719549190  50move=0
>              endgame tablebase-> probes=0  hits=0
>              SMP->  split=1231  stop=201  data=9/64  cpu=715240:05  elap=20:00
>
>White(1): Ng5
>              time used:  20:00


Shredder 9 UCI

Position 1

 12/30	 0:01 	+1.30 	1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kh7 3.Rg3 Rxd7 (523.191) 478
 13/27	 0:01 	+1.23 	1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kh7 3.Rg3 Rxd7 4.Qf5+ Kh8 5.Bxd7 Qxd7
6.Qxd7 Nxd7 7.Rb3 Kh7 8.Kg2 (951.361) 490
 13/27	 0:02 	+1.24++	1.Rd1 (1.238.726) 492
 13/29	 0:02 	+1.59++	1.Rd1 (1.333.774) 493
 13/29	 0:03 	+1.68 	1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Qd6 Kg8 3.Re1 Rxd7 4.Bxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Nxd7
6.Re8+ Kh7 (1.552.923) 496
 13/36	 0:04 	+1.69++	1.Qe7 (2.029.632) 499
 13/37	 0:05 	+1.69 	1.Qe7 Ng8 (2.537.967) 498
 14/30	 0:06 	+1.44--	1.Qe7 Ng8 (3.147.861) 497
 14/34	 0:06 	+0.94--	1.Qe7 Ng8 (3.285.356) 498
 14/41	 0:29 	 0.00 	1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 Nf6 (13.853.721) 476
 14/41	 0:29 	+0.01++	1.Rd1 (13.904.723) 476
 14/41	 0:29 	+0.36++	1.Rd1 (14.000.592) 476
 14/41	 0:33 	+1.52 	1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kg8 (15.745.830) 474
 14/41	 0:34 	+1.53++	1.Qd4 (16.234.651) 473
 14/41	 0:35 	+1.57 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 (16.597.847) 473
 15/34	 0:37 	+1.64 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 8.a5 Ra4 9.a6 (17.969.045) 473
 16/37	 0:44 	+1.63 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 8.a5 Ra4 9.a6 Kg8 (21.148.740) 474
 17/40	 0:57 	+1.74 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
Rxf4 7.Ra8 Kh7 8.Kg3 Rc4 9.a5 Ra4 10.a6 (27.302.386) 477
 18/47	 1:33 	+1.99++	1.Qd4 Ng8 (43.971.997) 471
 18/48	 2:12 	+1.99 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 b5 (62.556.679) 473
 19/46	 3:08 	+2.22 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Rxd7 4.Qxc7 Rxc7 5.Rxa6 Nf6 6.a5
Rc5 7.Ra7 Kg8 8.a6 Ra5 9.Be2 Nxh5 10.Bxh5 (89.663.864) 475
 20/50	 4:10 	+2.20 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Rxa6 Nf6 6.a5
Kh7 7.Rc6 Rd2 8.a6 Ra2 9.Rd6 Ra3 10.Rxf6 (119.856.843) 478
best move: Qe5-d4 time: 10:00.140 min  n/s: 515.785  CPU 99.9%   n/s(1CPU):
516.301  nodes: 309.527.466

Analysis of Rxf6

Analysing Rd6xf6 ...
 17/26	 0:01 	+1.33++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (910.890) 678
 17/27	 0:02 	+1.66 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 a5 4.Kf3 (1.491.988) 697
 18/33	 0:03 	+1.89 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 Kg8 (2.370.344)
705
 19/44	 0:05 	+2.12 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 b5 5.axb5 axb5
6.Bxb5 (3.798.935) 713
 20/45	 0:08 	+2.37++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (5.727.275) 715
 20/47	 0:15 	+2.86 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 b5 4.axb5 axb5 5.Bxb5 Rb8
6.Kf3 (10.129.835) 665
 21/42	 0:22 	+3.11++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (14.493.139) 643
 21/45	 0:30 	+3.61++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (19.029.752) 631
 21/48	 0:52 	+5.09 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 a5 5.Ke4
(32.679.517) 622
 22/47	 1:08 	+5.08 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 b5 4.axb5 axb5 5.Bxb5 Rxd7
(41.185.643) 605
 23/51	 2:04 	+5.31 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Kg8 4.Kf3 Rb8 5.Kf4 b5
(76.316.365) 612
 24/53	 3:32 	+5.56++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (123.384.800) 581
 24/53	 4:30 	+6.06++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (156.036.269) 577


Position 2

  9/26	 0:01 	+0.55++	1.Ng5 h6 (640.273) 413
  9/26	 0:01 	+0.91 	1.Ng5 h6 2.Qh5 Bxg5 3.Bxg5 O-O 4.Be7 Nxe4 5.Bxf8 Qxc2
(719.214) 414
 10/26	 0:02 	+1.16++	1.Ng5 h6 (1.122.133) 419
 10/32	 0:03 	+1.24 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Nxe4 3.Nxe4 Bxd4 4.Nd6+ Ke7 5.Bxd4 Qxc2
6.Bxg7 f5 (1.601.910) 416
 11/28	 0:05 	+1.24 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Nxe4 3.Nxe4 Bxd4 4.Nd6+ Ke7 5.Bxd4 Qxc2
6.Bxg7 f5 7.Bxh8 (2.225.833) 421
 12/34	 0:09 	+1.46 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.R4d2 Bxg5 4.Bxg5 f5 5.Bxb7 Qxb7
6.Qxb7 Nxb7 7.Rxd7 (3.908.847) 419
 13/32	 0:16 	+1.44 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.R4d2 Bxg5 4.Bxg5 f5 5.Bxb7 Rc7 6.Ba8
O-O 7.c3 Qb5 (6.977.423) 426
 14/38	 0:41 	+1.67 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Bb5 3.a4 (17.359.071) 416
 15/41	 1:16 	+1.42--	1.Ng5 Bd7 (31.725.956) 416
 15/41	 1:27 	+1.42 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.Qh5 (36.238.686) 414
 16/39	 2:28 	+1.67++	1.Ng5 Bd7 (62.187.887) 418
 16/41	 3:03 	+1.81 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.Qh5 g6 4.Qf3 Bxg5 5.Bxg5 f5 6.Bxb7
Qxb7 7.Qxb7 Nxb7 8.Rxd7 h6 9.Be3 (76.274.814) 415
 17/44	 5:21 	+2.05 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Qxa2 3.Bxb7 (132.885.305) 413

Analysis of Rd8+

Analysing Rd4-d8 ...
 11/27	 0:01 	-0.24 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Bd7 3.Bd4 Qb4 4.a3 Bb5 (650.608) 420
 12/32	 0:02 	-0.22 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Bd7 3.Bd4 Qb4 4.Bxg7 Rg8 5.Ne5 Bb5 6.Qg4
Qa4 7.Kh1 Bf6 (1.160.353) 431
 13/34	 0:05 	+0.03++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (2.331.237) 417
 13/36	 0:09 	+0.53++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (4.014.901) 417
 13/46	 0:51 	+0.82 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 g6 (22.302.782) 429
 14/41	 0:59 	+1.06 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxe7 Kxe7 5.Bxf5 Qb6
6.Bxh7 Rd8 7.Qa3+ (25.581.727) 427
 15/44	 1:14 	+1.08 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxe7 Kxe7 5.Bxf5 g6
6.Qd6+ Kf6 7.Be4 Kg7 8.Qe7+ Kh6 9.a4 (31.957.587) 427
 16/44	 1:44 	+1.33++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (44.379.813) 422
 16/44	 2:02 	+1.33 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxf5 Qf6 5.Bxe7 Kxe7
(52.575.702) 429
 17/47	 3:08 	+1.54 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxf5 Qf6 5.Bxe7 Kxe7
6.Qd6+ Ke8 7.Be4 Qe7 8.Bc6+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Qxd8 10.Rxd8+ Ke7 11.Rxh8 bxc6 12.Rxh7
(81.064.352) 430
 18/48	 5:37 	+1.79++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (143.583.385) 425
 18/50	 8:36 	+2.29++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (219.176.240) 424

Mike



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