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Subject: Re: 2 "unsolved" positions

Author: m.d.hurd

Date: 13:08:44 03/06/05

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On March 06, 2005 at 15:31:51, m.d.hurd wrote:

>On March 06, 2005 at 14:22:29, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2005 at 09:46:02, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>These positions remain unsolved years now in 10 minutes:
>>>
>>>[D]1q1r3k/3P1pp1/ppBR1n1p/4Q2P/P4P2/8/5PK1/8 w - - bm Rxf6
>>>[D]r1b1k2r/pp3ppp/4pb2/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - bm Rd8+
>>>
>>>Any solutions?
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>For #2, not solved after a 20 minute 5.3 billion node search although I beleive
>>it is consider the second best move.  Ng5 here looks very good here and maybe
>>better than Rd8.
>>
>>Seaching just Rd8, it is a point behind Ng5 after a 15 ply search..
>>
>>    15->   6:59   0.66   1. Rd8+ Bxd8 2. Bxc5 Be7 3. Qd2 f5
>>                         4. Bxe7 Kxe7 5. Bxf5 g6 6. Be4 Kf7
>>                         7. Qh6 Ke8 8. Qg5 Kf7 9. Ne5+ Kg7
>>
>>Black(1): r1b1k2r/pp3ppp/4pb2/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - bm Rd8+
>>White(1): go
>>              time surplus  29.92  time limit 20:00 (20:00)
>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>starting thread 1
>>                8     0.60   0.46   1. Ng5 h6 2. Nh7 Bxd4 3. Bxd4 Qb4 4.
>>                                    Bxg7 Qxe4 5. Qxe4 Nxe4 6. Bxh8
>>                8->   0.89   0.46   1. Ng5 h6 2. Nh7 Bxd4 3. Bxd4 Qb4 4.
>>                                    Bxg7 Qxe4 5. Qxe4 Nxe4 6. Bxh8
>>                9     1.99   0.75   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. R4d2 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 Qe5
>>                                    4. Qe3 Nxe4 5. Rxd7 O-O 6. Rxb7
>>                9->   2.57   0.75   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. R4d2 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 Qe5
>>                                    4. Qe3 Nxe4 5. Rxd7 O-O 6. Rxb7
>>               10     5.55   1.13   1. Ng5 Bxd4 2. Bxd4 Qa3 3. Bxh7 Bd7
>>                                    4. Bxg7 O-O-O 5. Bxh8 Rxh8
>>               10->   6.82   1.13   1. Ng5 Bxd4 2. Bxd4 Qa3 3. Bxh7 Bd7
>>                                    4. Bxg7 O-O-O 5. Bxh8 Rxh8
>>               11    19.14   1.16   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. R4d2 Bxg5
>>                                    4. Bxg5 f5 5. Bxb7 Rc7 6. Ba8 O-O
>>               11->  23.33   1.16   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. R4d2 Bxg5
>>                                    4. Bxg5 f5 5. Bxb7 Rc7 6. Ba8 O-O
>>               12    48.14   1.24   1. Ng5 h6 2. R4d2 O-O 3. Bxc5 Bxg5
>>                                    4. f4 Bxf4 5. Rd8 Bxh2+ 6. Kh1 Bd6
>>                                    7. R1xd6 Qxa2 8. Rxf8+ Kxf8
>>               12->   1:04   1.24   1. Ng5 h6 2. R4d2 O-O 3. Bxc5 Bxg5
>>                                    4. f4 Bxf4 5. Rd8 Bxh2+ 6. Kh1 Bd6
>>                                    7. R1xd6 Qxa2 8. Rxf8+ Kxf8
>>               13     2:14   1.37   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Bf6 Qxc2 6. Qh5+ Kg8
>>                                    7. Bxg7 Qh7 8. Qxc5 b6 9. Qe7
>>               13->   3:18   1.37   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Bf6 Qxc2 6. Qh5+ Kg8
>>                                    7. Bxg7 Qh7 8. Qxc5 b6 9. Qe7
>>               14     5:19   1.66   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Rh4+ Kg8 6. Qh3 f6
>>                                    7. Rh8+ Kf7 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Be3 Nb3
>>                                    10. Bc5+ Nxc5 11. Qxc5+ Kf7 12. Rxd7+
>>               14->   8:08   1.66   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Bxg5 3. Bxg5 O-O
>>                                    4. Bxh7+ Kxh7 5. Rh4+ Kg8 6. Qh3 f6
>>                                    7. Rh8+ Kf7 8. Qh5+ Ke7 9. Be3 Nb3
>>                                    10. Bc5+ Nxc5 11. Qxc5+ Kf7 12. Rxd7+
>>                                    (s=2)
>>               15    13:20   1.68   1. Ng5 Bd7 2. Qf3 Rc8 3. Nxh7 Nxe4
>>                                    4. Rxd7 Rxh7 5. Qxe4 Rh4 6. Qf3 Qe5
>>                                    7. h3 Qe4 8. Qxe4 Rxe4 9. Rxb7 Rxc2
>>                                    10. Rxa7
>>               15    19:45   7/50*  1. Rd6
>>
>>              time=20:00  cpu=32827%  mat=-1  n=5330941885  fh=95%  nps=4.44M
>>              ext-> chk=398623717 cap=8763266 pp=201930 1rep=27144258 mate=19895
>>71
>>              predicted=1  nodes=5330941885  evals=719549190  50move=0
>>              endgame tablebase-> probes=0  hits=0
>>              SMP->  split=1231  stop=201  data=9/64  cpu=715240:05  elap=20:00
>>
>>White(1): Ng5
>>              time used:  20:00
>
>
>Shredder 9 UCI
>
>Position 1
>
> 12/30	 0:01 	+1.30 	1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kh7 3.Rg3 Rxd7 (523.191) 478
> 13/27	 0:01 	+1.23 	1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kh7 3.Rg3 Rxd7 4.Qf5+ Kh8 5.Bxd7 Qxd7
>6.Qxd7 Nxd7 7.Rb3 Kh7 8.Kg2 (951.361) 490
> 13/27	 0:02 	+1.24++	1.Rd1 (1.238.726) 492
> 13/29	 0:02 	+1.59++	1.Rd1 (1.333.774) 493
> 13/29	 0:03 	+1.68 	1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Qd6 Kg8 3.Re1 Rxd7 4.Bxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Nxd7
>6.Re8+ Kh7 (1.552.923) 496
> 13/36	 0:04 	+1.69++	1.Qe7 (2.029.632) 499
> 13/37	 0:05 	+1.69 	1.Qe7 Ng8 (2.537.967) 498
> 14/30	 0:06 	+1.44--	1.Qe7 Ng8 (3.147.861) 497
> 14/34	 0:06 	+0.94--	1.Qe7 Ng8 (3.285.356) 498
> 14/41	 0:29 	 0.00 	1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 Nf6 (13.853.721) 476
> 14/41	 0:29 	+0.01++	1.Rd1 (13.904.723) 476
> 14/41	 0:29 	+0.36++	1.Rd1 (14.000.592) 476
> 14/41	 0:33 	+1.52 	1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Kg1 Kg8 (15.745.830) 474
> 14/41	 0:34 	+1.53++	1.Qd4 (16.234.651) 473
> 14/41	 0:35 	+1.57 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
>Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 (16.597.847) 473
> 15/34	 0:37 	+1.64 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
>Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 8.a5 Ra4 9.a6 (17.969.045) 473
> 16/37	 0:44 	+1.63 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
>Rxf4 7.Ra7 Nf6 8.a5 Ra4 9.a6 Kg8 (21.148.740) 474
> 17/40	 0:57 	+1.74 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 a5 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Ra6 Rd4 6.Rxa5
>Rxf4 7.Ra8 Kh7 8.Kg3 Rc4 9.a5 Ra4 10.a6 (27.302.386) 477
> 18/47	 1:33 	+1.99++	1.Qd4 Ng8 (43.971.997) 471
> 18/48	 2:12 	+1.99 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 b5 (62.556.679) 473
> 19/46	 3:08 	+2.22 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Rxd7 4.Qxc7 Rxc7 5.Rxa6 Nf6 6.a5
>Rc5 7.Ra7 Kg8 8.a6 Ra5 9.Be2 Nxh5 10.Bxh5 (89.663.864) 475
> 20/50	 4:10 	+2.20 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Rxa6 Nf6 6.a5
>Kh7 7.Rc6 Rd2 8.a6 Ra2 9.Rd6 Ra3 10.Rxf6 (119.856.843) 478
>best move: Qe5-d4 time: 10:00.140 min  n/s: 515.785  CPU 99.9%   n/s(1CPU):
>516.301  nodes: 309.527.466
>
>Analysis of Rxf6
>
>Analysing Rd6xf6 ...
> 17/26	 0:01 	+1.33++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (910.890) 678
> 17/27	 0:02 	+1.66 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 a5 4.Kf3 (1.491.988) 697
> 18/33	 0:03 	+1.89 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 Kg8 (2.370.344)
>705
> 19/44	 0:05 	+2.12 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 b5 5.axb5 axb5
>6.Bxb5 (3.798.935) 713
> 20/45	 0:08 	+2.37++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (5.727.275) 715
> 20/47	 0:15 	+2.86 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 b5 4.axb5 axb5 5.Bxb5 Rb8
>6.Kf3 (10.129.835) 665
> 21/42	 0:22 	+3.11++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (14.493.139) 643
> 21/45	 0:30 	+3.61++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (19.029.752) 631
> 21/48	 0:52 	+5.09 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Rb8 4.Kf3 a5 5.Ke4
>(32.679.517) 622
> 22/47	 1:08 	+5.08 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 b5 4.axb5 axb5 5.Bxb5 Rxd7
>(41.185.643) 605
> 23/51	 2:04 	+5.31 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Kg8 4.Kf3 Rb8 5.Kf4 b5
>(76.316.365) 612
> 24/53	 3:32 	+5.56++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (123.384.800) 581
> 24/53	 4:30 	+6.06++	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 (156.036.269) 577
>
>
>Position 2
>
>  9/26	 0:01 	+0.55++	1.Ng5 h6 (640.273) 413
>  9/26	 0:01 	+0.91 	1.Ng5 h6 2.Qh5 Bxg5 3.Bxg5 O-O 4.Be7 Nxe4 5.Bxf8 Qxc2
>(719.214) 414
> 10/26	 0:02 	+1.16++	1.Ng5 h6 (1.122.133) 419
> 10/32	 0:03 	+1.24 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Nxe4 3.Nxe4 Bxd4 4.Nd6+ Ke7 5.Bxd4 Qxc2
>6.Bxg7 f5 (1.601.910) 416
> 11/28	 0:05 	+1.24 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Nxe4 3.Nxe4 Bxd4 4.Nd6+ Ke7 5.Bxd4 Qxc2
>6.Bxg7 f5 7.Bxh8 (2.225.833) 421
> 12/34	 0:09 	+1.46 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.R4d2 Bxg5 4.Bxg5 f5 5.Bxb7 Qxb7
>6.Qxb7 Nxb7 7.Rxd7 (3.908.847) 419
> 13/32	 0:16 	+1.44 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.R4d2 Bxg5 4.Bxg5 f5 5.Bxb7 Rc7 6.Ba8
>O-O 7.c3 Qb5 (6.977.423) 426
> 14/38	 0:41 	+1.67 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Bb5 3.a4 (17.359.071) 416
> 15/41	 1:16 	+1.42--	1.Ng5 Bd7 (31.725.956) 416
> 15/41	 1:27 	+1.42 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.Qh5 (36.238.686) 414
> 16/39	 2:28 	+1.67++	1.Ng5 Bd7 (62.187.887) 418
> 16/41	 3:03 	+1.81 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Rc8 3.Qh5 g6 4.Qf3 Bxg5 5.Bxg5 f5 6.Bxb7
>Qxb7 7.Qxb7 Nxb7 8.Rxd7 h6 9.Be3 (76.274.814) 415
> 17/44	 5:21 	+2.05 	1.Ng5 Bd7 2.Qf3 Qxa2 3.Bxb7 (132.885.305) 413
>
>Analysis of Rd8+
>
>Analysing Rd4-d8 ...
> 11/27	 0:01 	-0.24 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Bd7 3.Bd4 Qb4 4.a3 Bb5 (650.608) 420
> 12/32	 0:02 	-0.22 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Bd7 3.Bd4 Qb4 4.Bxg7 Rg8 5.Ne5 Bb5 6.Qg4
>Qa4 7.Kh1 Bf6 (1.160.353) 431
> 13/34	 0:05 	+0.03++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (2.331.237) 417
> 13/36	 0:09 	+0.53++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (4.014.901) 417
> 13/46	 0:51 	+0.82 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 g6 (22.302.782) 429
> 14/41	 0:59 	+1.06 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxe7 Kxe7 5.Bxf5 Qb6
>6.Bxh7 Rd8 7.Qa3+ (25.581.727) 427
> 15/44	 1:14 	+1.08 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxe7 Kxe7 5.Bxf5 g6
>6.Qd6+ Kf6 7.Be4 Kg7 8.Qe7+ Kh6 9.a4 (31.957.587) 427
> 16/44	 1:44 	+1.33++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (44.379.813) 422
> 16/44	 2:02 	+1.33 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxf5 Qf6 5.Bxe7 Kxe7
>(52.575.702) 429
> 17/47	 3:08 	+1.54 	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 2.Bxc5 Be7 3.Qd3 f5 4.Bxf5 Qf6 5.Bxe7 Kxe7
>6.Qd6+ Ke8 7.Be4 Qe7 8.Bc6+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Qxd8 10.Rxd8+ Ke7 11.Rxh8 bxc6 12.Rxh7
>(81.064.352) 430
> 18/48	 5:37 	+1.79++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (143.583.385) 425
> 18/50	 8:36 	+2.29++	1.Rd8+ Bxd8 (219.176.240) 424
>
>Mike


List 512

Position 1

 11.00	 0:01 	+0.77 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Rxa6 Rd4
6.Kg3 Rd2 (1.142.376)
 11.06	 0:02 	+0.84 	1.Kf1 a5 2.Rd3 Qa7 3.Kg1 Kg8 4.Rg3 Kh7 5.Qf5+ Kh8 6.Qe5 Kg8
7.Qxf6 Qxd7 (2.373.723)
 12.01	 0:04 	+1.06 	1.Kf1 a5 2.Kg1 Ng8 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Qd4 Kh7 5.Rxb6 Qa7 6.Rd6
Qxd4 (4.460.949)
 12.02	 0:05 	+1.17 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Bg4 b5 4.axb5 axb5 5.Rb6 Qc4 6.Qxc4
bxc4 7.Rc6 Nf6 (5.132.315)
 13.01	 0:06 	+1.10 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Qxb6 4.Rxb6 Rxd7 5.Rxa6 Rd4
6.Kg3 Nf6 7.Ra7 Kg8 (6.607.947)
 13.03	 0:08 	+1.18 	1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Qd6 Kh7 3.Re3 Rxd7 4.Bxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Nxd7
6.Re7 Nf6 7.Kf3 Nxh5 (8.083.373)
 14.01	 0:13 	+0.98 	1.Rd3 Qxe5 2.fxe5 Nxh5 3.Kf3 g6 4.Rb3 Ng7 5.Rxb6 Nf5 6.Rxa6
Nd4+ 7.Ke4 Nxc6 8.Rxc6 (12.935.677)
 14.02	 0:17 	+1.31 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Bf3 Qc7 3.Qxb6 Rxd7 4.Qxc7 Rxc7 5.Rxa6 Nf6
6.Rb6 Kh7 7.a5 Rc5 8.a6 (17.067.265)
 15.01	 0:30 	+1.46 	1.Qd4 Ng8 2.Be4 Qc7 3.Bd3 Nf6 4.Rxf6 gxf6 5.Qxf6+ Kg8
6.Qxh6 Rxd7 7.Bh7+ Kh8 8.Bf5+ (30.387.615)
 16.01	 0:55 	+1.85 	1.Qd4 Qc7 2.Rxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8 4.Qxh6 Rxd7 5.Qg5+ Kf8
6.Bxd7 Qb7+ 7.f3 Qxd7 8.h6 (53.595.291)
 17.01	 1:26 	+1.94 	1.Qd4 Qc7 2.Rxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8 4.Qxh6 Rxd7 5.Qg5+ Kf8
6.Bxd7 Qxd7 7.h6 Qd4 8.f3 (83.329.796)
 18.01	 2:14 	+1.94 	1.Qd4 Qc7 2.Rxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8 4.Qxh6 Rxd7 5.Qg5+ Kf8
6.Bxd7 Qxd7 7.h6 Qd4 8.f3 (129.934.616)
 18.05	 2:29 	+1.97 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Kh7 4.Kg3 Kg8 5.Kf4 b5
6.axb5 axb5 7.Bxb5 Kh7 8.Ke3 (146.140.281)
 19.01	 3:15 	+2.07 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Kh7 4.Kg3 Kg8 5.Kf4 b5
6.axb5 axb5 7.Bxb5 Kh7 8.Bc6 (193.866.899)
 20.01	 5:40 	+2.15 	1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 Kh7 4.Kg3 Kg8 5.Kf4 b5
6.axb5 axb5 7.Bxb5 Kh7 8.Kf5 (344.349.780)
best move: Rd6xf6 time: 10:00.656 minnodes: 576.273.848


Mike



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