Author: Tord Romstad
Date: 15:51:18 03/09/05
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On March 09, 2005 at 16:53:36, Heinz van Kempen wrote: >Hi Matthias and Tord, > >we were about to include Toga in our CEGT tournament giving the engine around >500 games with longer time control. That was the reason why I applied for >testing Toga. So it would have been included possibly taking the place of other >strong engine that is no clone. And the waste of time for the testers is no >reason to be angry about then? > >Anyway I have learned now that I will never again - not even in the most >cautious way - tell something about similarities. > >Hoping for a future with less clones, but fearing that I will be harder for us >testers in the future. Hi Heinz, I am not sure we are understanding each other correctly. If it is not clear, let me emphasize that you in my opinion has done nothing wrong in this discussion. On the contrary, you are the one who first provided the evidence, in form of your test positions and the links to the discussion at Schachwerkstatt. Your contributions to this thread have been very valuable. What I criticized (probably a bit too harshly) was the way Karl-Heinz started this thread, by stating bluntly that Toga was a clone, without mentioning the discussion at Schachwerkstatt or giving any other information about how he arrived at his conclusion. In the light of the information we now have, it seems clear that Toga indeed is a clone. But at the time the thread was started, most of this information was not available for the members of this forum. Most of the readers of CCC do not understand German, and even many of those among us who do rarely read Schachwerkstatt. I (and all other engine authors, I am sure) greatly appreciate that you and other testers are skeptical towards new and unexpectedly strong engines, and that you do some work in order to determine whether it is likely to be a clone. I also understand perfectly well that you don't want to spend lots of time testing an engine which you consider suspect. But we need to discuss (probably in a separate thread, here or in the Winboard forum) and agree upon the correct procedure to follow when you encounter a suspect engine. Tord
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