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Subject: Re: Exposing Clones is criminal !

Author: Heinz van Kempen

Date: 16:18:05 03/09/05

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Hi Tord :-),

yes, I saw of course that you mainly reacted to Karl-Heinz and in my opinion it
was very unlucky that he initially and over many hours did not gave the full
information he had in this forum and only in "Schachwerkstatt".

So I wanted to make clear that I already had this information, before I posted
about similarities in games output. I would not have posted them without the
other evidence, would have extended my tests to 100 positions and more to decide
if to take Toga into CEGT, that is a very CPU time consuming event. Probably we
would have renounced to take it in and I would have simply send an email to
Karl-Heinz and the author asking if we are dealing with an engine very similar
to Fruit.

I appreciate that Fabien, you and others want to do something positive for all
the authors and give them some more clues, but it apparently involves that there
will almost "paste and copy clones". Luckily those will be the easiest to
detect, but cloners will learn to be more clever.

For us testers there is simply the question if it is not better to opt for the
other way. First not to include engines that are already very strong with their
first release, not include betas without versions already released and just wait
and see until we can be sure that they are based mainly on own work and genius.

Best Regards
Heinz



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