Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 04:21:31 03/12/05
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On March 11, 2005 at 15:51:50, Frank Phillips wrote: >On March 11, 2005 at 05:32:07, Vasik Rajlich wrote: > >>On March 10, 2005 at 16:36:30, Frank Phillips wrote: >> >>>On March 10, 2005 at 09:24:14, Andrew Williams wrote: >>> >>>>On March 10, 2005 at 08:29:02, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 09, 2005 at 12:13:26, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>After the post on how Daniel Mehrmann is still working on XBoard/Winboard, I >>>>>>immediately starting thinking of ways to waste his time. My question is: Does >>>>>>Winboard really have any advantages over UCI any more? >>>>>> >>>>>>The Anthony WB/UCI comparison: >>>>>> >>>>>>+UCI: >>>>>> >>>>>>Interface is cleaner & easier to implement, not being based on the crappy GNU >>>>>>chess protocol. >>>>>> >>>>>>Supports Multiple PVs, refutations, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>>Graphical configuration of engines. >>>>>> >>>>>>+WinBoard: >>>>>> >>>>>>Can operate in text mode. >>>>>> >>>>>>And this comparison is (obviously) quite favorable to UCI, although I may have >>>>>>missed things. Anyway, I'd be willing to help Daniel out over the next few >>>>>>weeks if it meant a new version of Xboard with UCI support, and I'm guessing >>>>>>there would be a few other people willing to help out as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>anthony >>>>> >>>>>The current situation is quite ok - every author implements the protocol he >>>>>prefers, and adapters exist to make sure that every engine runs in every GUI. >>>>>(Except Fritz & Junior -- gggrrrr :)). >>>>> >>>>>Personally, I'm quite sure that UCI support requires less code and less of a >>>>>mess in your engine - but it's really a minor issue. It was quite easy for me to >>>>>decide for UCI. >>>>> >>>>>As for GUIs - if you haven't already done so, I'd suggest you at least try the >>>>>professional GUIs. I doubt it's worth it to try to get winboard caught up .. >>>>> >>>>>Vas >>>> >>>>Lots of people develop on Linux. I'm not going to suddenly start using Windows >>>>to do chess programming when I use Linux for everything else. >>>> >>>>Andrew >>> >>>I would like to second that. >>> >>>It is depressing if the suggestion is that all (hobby) chess programmers should >>>have to agree to the MS licence and fund their 'business' tactics - or write >>>their own GUI. >>> >>>Frank >> >>Yes, this is a good point. I worked in Unix until 2003 and can sympathize with >>this. >> >>You shouldn't kid yourselves though - and probably you don't - in many cases you >>pay a price when you cannot use Windows apps. Maybe it's not right but it's just >>the reality. >> >>Vas > > >It is small compared to the price of using MS Windows; and infinitely small >compared to the price of having no choice. > >Frank Software is by nature pretty cheap, compared to the time you spend working & playing with it. I don't like the idea that the lack of competition will let M$$ do what they want - but I think it's enough that everyone optimize their own decisions, and the market will take care of itself. Vas
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