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Subject: Re: Programs still don't have a clue in some positions.

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:04:36 03/15/05

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On March 15, 2005 at 03:53:02, odell jones wrote:

>On March 14, 2005 at 13:52:06, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>Are you saying that you are winning in this position?
>>
>>[D]r4r1k/1pb2p1p/p1p2P2/P2p1Q1N/7R/6P1/3q1P1P/6K1 b - - 0 29
>
> mOST DEFINITELY IF YOU LET CHESSMASTER THINK LONGER YOU WILL SEE THAT ALL
>VARIATIONS LEAD TO A LOST

Ok, I've let it think longer (and it is still thinking). CM9_R1 on an AMD 2500
eventually gives up on 29...h6 and switches to 29...Qh6, still with a very good
score for Black:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-8.50	8697		29...Qe1+ 30.Kg2 h6 31.Ng7 Qc1
					32.Qd7
0:00	1/3	-8.75	11679		29...Rfd8 30.Kg2 Bxa5 31.Nf4
0:00	1/3	-9.05	16375		29...Rfe8 30.Kg2 Re2 31.Ng7
0:00	1/4	-7.86	20519		29...Rfe8 30.Ng7 Re1+ 31.Kg2 h6
					32.Qd7 Bxa5 33.Qxf7
0:00	1/4	-8.67	24496		29...Rfd8 30.Ng7 h6 31.Qb1 Bxa5
					32.Qxb7 Qd1+ 33.Kg2
0:00	1/4	-8.83	28660		29...h6 30.Qb1 Rab8 31.Rg4 Bxa5
0:00	1/5	-8.85	55634		29...h6 30.Qb1 Rae8 31.Qxb7 Qe1+
					32.Kg2 Re2
0:00	1/5	-9.07	76060		29...Rfe8 30.Ng7 Re1+ 31.Kg2 h6
					32.Qh3 Kh7 33.Nf5
0:01	1/6	-6.77	106866		29...Rfe8 30.Ng7 h6 31.Nxe8 Rxe8
					32.Qh3 Kh7 33.Qf5+ Kg8
0:02	1/6	-8.93	211300		29...h6 30.Kg2 Qxa5 31.Qg4 Rg8
					32.Qd7 Raf8 33.Qe7
0:02	1/7	-8.78	285126		29...h6 30.Kg2 Rae8 31.Qg4 Qg5
					32.Qd7 Rg8 33.Ng7
0:04	1/8	-8.79	820658		29...h6 30.Kg2 Rad8 31.Qb1 Rd7
					32.Rb4 Bxa5 33.Rxb7 Rxb7 34.Qxb7
0:08	1/9	-8.50	1776688		29...h6 30.Ng7 Bd8 31.Kg2 Rg8 32.Qe5
					Bxa5 33.Nf5 Rge8
0:17	1/10	-8.40	4347836		29...h6 30.Kg2 Rae8 31.Qg4 Qg5
					32.Qd7 Rc8 33.Qe7 Rg8 34.Ng7 c5
					35.Qxf7 Bxa5
0:46	1/11	-8.07	12442706	29...h6 30.Ng7 Bd8 31.Kg2 Qc1 32.Nh5
					Bc7 33.Rb4 Ra7 34.Rb1 Qc4
1:53	1/12	-7.92	31551326	29...h6 30.Ng7 Bd8 31.Qe5 Bxa5
					32.Qh5 Qe1+ 33.Kg2 Bd2 34.Nf5 Qc1
					35.Nd6 Kh7 36.Qf5+ Kg8 37.Nxb7
6:04	2/13	-6.64	101611653	29...h6 30.Ng7 Bd8 31.Qe5 Bxa5
					32.Qh5 Qc1+ 33.Kg2 Kh7 34.Nf5 Bd2
					35.f4 Bxf4 36.Rxf4 Qb2+ 37.Kg1 Qxf6
8:16	2/13	-7.15	139367769	29...Qh6 30.Nf4 Bxf4 31.Rxh6 Bxh6
					32.Qd7 d4 33.Qxd4 Rfd8 34.Qh4 Rd1+
					35.Kg2 Bf8 36.Qc4 Rd5 37.Qb3
8:42	3/14	-7.03	147559557	29...Qh6 30.Nf4 Bxf4 31.Rxh6 Bxh6
					32.f4 Rg8 33.Qd7 Bxf4 34.Qxb7 Rac8
					35.Qxf7 Bc7 36.Qe7 Bxa5 37.f7
13:40	4/15	-7.15	239427976	29...Qh6 30.Nf4 Bxf4 31.Rxh6 Bxh6
					32.f4 Rfe8 33.Qh5 Bf8 34.Qxf7 Re1+
					35.Kf2 Rb1 36.Kf3 Rb2 37.Kg4 Rd8
25:47	5/16	-7.13	470692783	29...Qh6 30.Nf4 Bxf4 31.Rxh6 Bxh6
					32.f4 Rfe8 33.Qh5 Bf8 34.Qxf7 Re1+
					35.Kf2 Rb1 36.g4 Rb2+ 37.Ke3 Rd8
					38.g5 c5
1:00:48	6/17	-7.01	1158459040	29...Qh6 30.Nf4 Bxf4 31.Rxh6 Bxh6
					32.f4 Rfe8 33.Qh5 Bf8 34.Qxf7 Re1+
					35.Kf2 Rb1 36.Ke3 Rb2 37.Kd4 Rd8
					38.Kc3 Rxh2 39.Qxb7

If it sees anything significantly different in the next hour or two, I'll let
you know.

jm



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