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Subject: Re: Natwarlal Remarks

Author: Marc D

Date: 13:35:30 03/15/05

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On March 15, 2005 at 16:26:38, Günther Simon wrote:

>On March 15, 2005 at 15:18:09, Marc D wrote:
>
>>1) I have noticed in the analysis window some notation language mismatch.
>>
>>Here an excerpt of the analysis:
>>
>>FEN: rnb2k1r/1q1P2p1/p3p1Q1/6Np/2p2B2/8/1P4PP/R3KB1n b Q - 0 21
>>
>>Natwarlal v0.11:
>>   1	00:00	          68	68	+4,23	Sb8xd7 Sg5xe6+
>>   1	00:00	         193	193	+5,01	Lc8xd7
>>   1	00:00	         286	286	+5,01	Lc8xd7
>>   2	00:00	         645	645	-M1	Bc8xd7?? (Qg6f7+ )
>>   2	00:00	         646	646	-M1	Bc8xd7?? (Qg6f7+ )
>>   2	00:00	         647	647	-M1	Lc8xd7 Dg6f7+
>>   2	00:00	         906	906	-1,20	Db7b4+ Lf4d2 Db4xd2+ Ke1xd2 Sb8xd7
>>   2	00:00	       1.303	130.300	+4,20	Db7xd7 Lf1xc4
>>   2	00:00	       1.303	130.300	+4,20	Db7xd7 Lf1xc4
>>   3	00:00	       2.466	246.600	+3,50	Db7xd7 Sg5h7+ Th8xh7 Dg6xh7
>>   3	00:00	       3.166	316.600	+3,50	Db7xd7 Sg5h7+ Th8xh7 Dg6xh7
>>   4	00:00	       6.571	219.033	+3,33	Db7xd7 Lf1xc4 Dd7b7 Lf4d6+ Kf8g8 Sg5xe6
>>   4	00:00	       7.280	242.666	+3,33	Db7xd7 Lf1xc4 Dd7b7 Lf4d6+ Kf8g8 Sg5xe6
>>   5	00:00	      15.027	187.837	+1,80	Qb7xd7?? (Ra1d1 Qd7e7 Bf4d6 e6e5 )
>>   5	00:00	      16.915	187.944	+1,25	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 e6e5 Td1xd7 Sb8xd7
>>   5	00:00	      18.037	163.972	+1,25	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 e6e5 Td1xd7 Sb8xd7
>>   6	00:00	      26.914	179.426	+0,52	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Kf8g8 Sh7f6+
>>Kg8h8 Lf4xh6
>>   6	00:00	      33.730	187.388	+0,52	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Kf8g8 Sh7f6+
>>Kg8h8 Lf4xh6
>>   7	00:00	      59.821	199.403	+0,40	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Kf8g8 Lf4xh6
>>Dd7c7 Sh7f6+ Kg8h8
>>   7	00:00	      74.736	201.989	+0,40	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Kf8g8 Lf4xh6
>>Dd7c7 Sh7f6+ Kg8h8
>>   8	00:00	      92.492	210.209	-1,11	Db7xd7 Ta1d1
>>   8	00:01	     139.293	224.666	-1,11	Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8 Bf4xh6
>>Qd7c7 Rd1d8+ Qc7xd8 Qg6xg7+ )
>>   8	00:01	     189.600	225.714	-1,75	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Th6xh7 Td1xd7
>>Lc8xd7 Dg6xh7 Sb8c6 Lf1xc4
>>   8	00:01	     217.091	226.136	-1,75	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Sg5h7+ Th6xh7 Td1xd7
>>Lc8xd7 Dg6xh7 Sb8c6 Lf1xc4
>>   9	00:01	     318.372	235.831	-3,26	Db7xd7 Ta1d1
>>   9	00:02	     566.558	232.195	-3,26	Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6 Bf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8 Re6e8+ )
>>   9	00:03	     712.673	236.768	-4,29	Db7xd7 Ta1d1
>>   9	00:03	     765.714	237.799	-4,29	Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6 Bf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8 Re6e8+ )
>>   9	00:04	     851.969	200.936	-M6	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Td1xd7 Th6xg6 Lf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Td7e7+ Ke8f8 Te7xe6+ Kf8g8
>>   9	00:08	   1.765.039	213.944	-M6	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Td1xd7 Th6xg6 Lf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Td7e7+ Ke8f8 Te7xe6+ Kf8g8
>>  10	00:11	   2.454.147	213.404	-M6	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Td1xd7 Th6xg6 Lf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Td7e7+ Ke8f8 Te7xe6+ Kf8g8
>>  10	00:14	   3.083.072	216.204	-M6	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Td1xd7 Th6xg6 Lf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Td7e7+ Ke8f8 Te7xe6+ Kf8g8
>>  11	00:21	   4.634.471	217.887	-M6	Db7xd7 Ta1d1 Th8h6 Td1xd7 Th6xg6 Lf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Td7e7+ Ke8f8 Te7xe6+
>>  11	00:22	   4.828.958	216.836	-M6	Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6 Bf4d6+
>>Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ (Kf8g8 Re6e8+ )
>>
>>
>>You can see that the notation is Db7 and Qb7 as is for Lc8 and Bc8 and for Rh8
>>and Td1. It is in german and english for instance D=Dame Q=Queen.
>>I don't have this when using other engines.
>>
>>2) It takes Natwarlal about 51 sec for his first move (as black) to respond to
>>the white move ..after that everything is normal.
>>Is this long evaluation intended?
>>
>>Regards
>>Marc
>
>This is surely no problem of Natwarlal but of the GUI you are using.
>Natwarlal has no idea of the German language ;)
>
>Guenther
>
>9644 >first : setboard rnb2k1r/1q1P2p1/p3p1Q1/6Np/2p2B2/8/1P4PP/R3KB1n b Q - 0 1
>10195 <first : Time Control: TOURNAMENT, moves 40, left 360000, incr 0
>16834 >first : white
>16834 >first : time 360000
>otim 360000
>16834 >first : black
>go
>16874 <first : Time alotted 8780cs, ext 0cs
>16874 <first :   1  423      0       27 Nb8xd7 Ng5xe6+
>16874 <first :   1  501      0      152 Bc8xd7
>16884 <first :   1  501      1      249 Bc8xd7
>16894 <first :   2 -32765      1      500 Bc8xd7?? (Qg6f7+ )
>16894 <first :   2 -32765      2      501 Bc8xd7?? (Qg6f7+ )
>16894 <first :   2 -32765      2      502 Bc8xd7 Qg6f7+
>16904 <first :   2 -120      3      708 Qb7b4+ Bf4d2 Qb4xd2+ Ke1xd2 Nb8xd7
>16904 <first :   2  420      3     1106 Qb7xd7 Bf1xc4
>16914 <first :   2  420      4     1112 Qb7xd7 Bf1xc4
>16924 <first :   3  360      4     1566 Qb7xd7?? (Ng5h7+ Rh8xh7 Qg6xh7 )
>16924 <first :   3  350      5     2246 Qb7xd7 Ng5h7+ Rh8xh7 Qg6xh7
>16934 <first :   3  350      6     2952 Qb7xd7 Ng5h7+ Rh8xh7 Qg6xh7
>16964 <first :   4  333      8     6167 Qb7xd7 Bf1xc4 Qd7b7 Bf4d6+ Kf8g8 Ng5xe6
>16974 <first :   4  333      9     6880 Qb7xd7 Bf1xc4 Qd7b7 Bf4d6+ Kf8g8 Ng5xe6
>17014 <first :   5  277     14    14220 Qb7xd7?? (Ra1d1 Qd7e7 Bf4d6 e6e5 )
>17024 <first :   5  176     15    14499 Qb7xd7?? (Ra1d1 Qd7e7 Bf4d6 e6e5 )
>17044 <first :   5  125     17    16742 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 e6e5 Rd1xd7 Nb8xd7
>17054 <first :   5  125     18    17832 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 e6e5 Rd1xd7 Nb8xd7
>17085 <first :   6   74     21    20717 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1
>17135 <first :   6   74     26    26567 Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (e6e5 Rd1xd7 Nb8xd7
>Qg6f7+ )
>17205 <first :   6   52     32    34114 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8 Nh7f6+
>Kg8h8 Bf4xh6
>17215 <first :   6   52     34    35770 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8 Nh7f6+
>Kg8h8 Bf4xh6
>17495 <first :   7   40     61    71825 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8 Bf4xh6
>Qd7c7 Nh7f6+ Kg8h8
>17595 <first :   7   40     72    86771 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8 Bf4xh6
>Qd7c7 Nh7f6+ Kg8h8
>17685 <first :   8  -11     81    98154 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1
>17926 <first :   8  -11    105   132152 Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8
>Bf4xh6 Qd7c7 Rd1d8+ Qc7xd8 Qg6xg7+ )
>18026 <first :   8 -114    116   149715 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1
>18236 <first :   8 -114    137   181421 Qb7xd7?? Ra1d1 (Rh8h6 Ng5h7+ Kf8g8
>Bf4xh6 Qd7c7 Rd1d8+ Qc7xd8 Qg6xg7+ )
>18837 <first :   8 -32755    197   253014 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8
>21611 <first :   8 -32755    474   591908 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8
>21731 <first :   9 -943    486   608859 Qb7xd7!! (Ra1d1 )
>21731 <first :   9 -943    486   608860 Qb7xd7!! Ra1d1
>21871 <first :   9 -32755    500   621848 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+
>24215 <first :   9 -32755    733   914017 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+
>24515 <first :  10 -1139    764   947540 Qb7xd7!! (Ra1d1 )
>24515 <first :  10 -1139    764   947541 Qb7xd7!! Ra1d1
>24746 <first :  10 -32755    788   975578 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8
>25957 <first :  10 -32755    908  1095755 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ Kf8g8
>44804 <first :  11 -32755   2793  3283529 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+
>46206 <first :  11 -32755   2934  3421147 Qb7xd7 Ra1d1 Rh8h6 Rd1xd7 Rh6xg6
>Bf4d6+ Kf8e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8f8 Re7xe6+ (Kf8g8 Re6e8+ )


Strange ...the other engines don't show this kind of problems.
I'm using GUI Arena 1.1

Marc



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