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Subject: oops..already said

Author: Daniel Shawul

Date: 04:34:54 03/18/05

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On March 18, 2005 at 07:29:23, Daniel Shawul wrote:

>On March 17, 2005 at 16:46:57, Ross Boyd wrote:
>
>>On March 17, 2005 at 15:55:10, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Not surprising.
>>>
>>>Fruit does not have a pawn hash table, which is the key thing to solving this
>>>thing fast.
>>
>>Can't agree with you Dann.
>>
>>The key to solving it fast is a properly working transposition table with a good
>>replacement scheme.
>     Some strong commercail engines like DeepSjeng can't solve it too.
> This position is a bad one for tuning a replacement scheme.
>daniel
>
> Adding pawn hashing made only a very small difference to
>>TRACE 1.28. I suspect a little glitch in Fruit.
>>
>>For proof, here's TRACE 1.27's output... its just as fast as 1.33B and there's
>>no pawn hashing.
>>
>>FEN: 8/k7/3p4/p2P1p2/P2P1P2/8/8/K7 w - - 0 1
>>
>>TRACE 1.27:
>>   2	00:00.030	          40	40	+0.70	Ka2 Kb6
>>   2	00:00.030	          41	41	+0.80	Kb2 Kb6
>>   2	00:00.030	          42	42	+0.80	Kb2 Kb6
>>   3	00:00.030	          75	75	+1.00	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3
>>   4	00:00.030	         157	157	+1.00	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7
>>   5	00:00.060	         289	289	+1.10	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7 Kc4
>>   6	00:00.060	         486	486	+1.00	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7 Kc4 Kd7
>>   7	00:00.060	         794	794	+1.00	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7 Kc4 Kd7 Kd3
>>   8	00:00.070	       1.279	1.279	+1.10	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7
>>   9	00:00.070	       1.846	1.846	+1.10	Kb2 Kb6 Kc3 Kc7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3
>>  10	00:00.080	       5.321	532.100	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4
>>  11	00:00.090	       6.764	676.400	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3
>>Kd7 Kd3
>>  12	00:00.090	       8.335	833.500	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7 Kc4
>>Kb6
>>  13	00:00.100	       9.965	498.250	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3
>>Kd7 Kf3 Ke7 Ke3
>>  14	00:00.100	      13.624	681.200	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4 Kb6 Kc3 Kb7
>>  15	00:00.110	      17.070	426.750	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3
>>Kd7 Kf3 Ke7 Ke2 Kd7 Kd3
>>  16	00:00.110	      24.673	493.460	+0.91	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3
>>  17	00:00.130	      29.554	369.425	+1.00	Kb2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd2 Kd7 Kc3 Ke7 Kc4
>>  18	00:00.150	      42.911	306.507	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8
>>  19	00:00.170	      49.482	309.262	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd1 Kd7 Kd2 Kc8 Kc2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7
>>  20	00:00.180	      55.357	307.538	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd1 Kd7 Kd2 Kc8 Kc2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7
>>  21	00:00.200	      61.474	307.370	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd1 Kd7 Kd2 Kc8 Kc2 Kb8 Kc3 Kb7
>>  22	00:00.230	      75.746	329.330	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd1 Kd7 Kd2 Kc8 Kc2 Kb8 Kb3 Kc8
>>  23	00:00.290	     107.566	384.164	+1.00	Kb2 Ka8 Kc3 Kb7 Kd3 Kc7 Ke3 Kd7 Kf3
>>Ke7 Ke2 Kd8 Kd1 Kd7 Ke1 Kd8 Ke2 Kd7 Ke3 Kd8
>>  23	00:00.310	     119.141	384.325	+1.01	Kb1
>>  23	00:00.350	     134.987	397.020	+3.01	Kb1
>>  23	00:00.380	     156.072	410.715	+3.52	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3
>>  24	00:00.411	     168.266	420.665	+3.59	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Ke7
>>  25	00:00.461	     182.779	406.175	+3.59	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Ke7
>>  26	00:01.671	     207.891	314.986	+3.59	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Ke7
>>  27	00:01.811	     242.456	303.070	+3.59	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Ke7
>>  28	00:01.132	     300.777	273.433	+3.59	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Kf7
>>  29	00:01.432	     424.764	299.129	+3.76	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Kf7
>>  30	00:02.712	     522.858	305.764	+3.76	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf6 Kh5 Kf7
>>  31	00:02.594	     766.436	297.068	+3.86	Kb1 Kb7 Kc1 Kb8 Kc2 Kb7 Kc3 Ka6 Kd2
>>Kb7 Ke2 Kc8 Kf2 Kd7 Kg3 Ke7 Kh4 Kf



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