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Subject: Re: only e8=N!! wins here Question

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 07:04:45 03/27/05

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On March 27, 2005 at 09:30:30, chandler yergin wrote:

>On March 27, 2005 at 07:43:03, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On March 27, 2005 at 07:36:42, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2005 at 18:18:50, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>source: Selective Search magazine
>>>>
>>>>White(2): [d]8/p3P3/rp6/kp6/1p4PK/1P6/1P5p/4r2R w - - 0 1
>>>>White(1): st 120
>>>>search time set to 120.00.
>>>>White(1): g
>>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>>              time surplus  59.67  time limit 2:00 (2:00) [easy move]
>>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>>starting thread 1
>>>>               14->   0.08   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               15     0.08   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1
>>>>               15->   0.09   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=3)
>>>>               16     0.11   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               16->   0.17   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=3)
>>>>               17     0.17   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               17->   0.22   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=3)
>>>>               18     0.23   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               18->   0.30   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               19     0.36   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1
>>>>               19->   2.11   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=3)
>>>>               20     2.17   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               20->  21.17   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=3)
>>>>               21    21.31   0.01   1. Rxe1 h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 (s=2)
>>>>               21    25.97     +1   1. e8=N!!
>>>>               21     1:25   1.33   1. e8=N Rg1 2. Kh5 Rc1 3. g5 Rg1 4.
>>>>                                    Kh6 Rf1 5. g6 Rg1 6. Kh7 Rc1 7. g7
>>>>                                    Rg1 8. Kh8 Rc1 9. g8=Q Rg1 10. Qg3
>>>>                                    Rxh1 11. Nc7 Rd1 12. Qxh2
>>>>               21->   1:25   1.33   1. e8=N Rg1 2. Kh5 Rc1 3. g5 Rg1 4.
>>>>                                    Kh6 Rf1 5. g6 Rg1 6. Kh7 Rc1 7. g7
>>>>                                    Rg1 8. Kh8 Rc1 9. g8=Q Rg1 10. Qg3
>>>>                                    Rxh1 11. Nc7 Rd1 12. Qxh2
>>>>               22     1:45     +1   1. e8=N!!
>>>>              time=2:00  cpu=357684%  mat=-6  n=417517453  fh=89%  nps=3.48M
>>>>              ext-> chk=24204251 cap=581186 pp=2733634 1rep=657615 mate=89868
>>>>              predicted=2  nodes=417517453  evals=224117562  50move=0
>>>>              endgame tablebase-> probes=0  hits=0
>>>>              SMP->  split=2723  stop=373  data=10/64  cpu=715823:17  elap=2:00
>>>>
>>>>White(1): e8=N
>>>>              time used:   2:00
>>>>Black(1):
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry it's a DRAW!
>>>[Event "?"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "New game"]
>>>[Black "?"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>[FEN "[D]8/p3P3/rp6/kp6/1p4PK/1P6/1P5p/4r2R w - - 0 1"]
>>>[PlyCount "3"]
>>>
>>>{Shredder 8: 1)} 1. Rxe1 ({Shredder 8: 2)} 1. e8=N Rg1 2. Nd6 Rxg4+ 3. Kxg4 {
>>>[%eval 0,17]}) 1... h1=Q+ 2. Rxh1 {[%eval 0,17]} *
>>
>>
>>2.Nd6 is a mistake, the winning line is above : 1. e8=N! Rg1 2. Kh5! Rc1 3. g5!
>>Rg1 4.Kh6! Rf1 5. g6! Rg1 6. Kh7! Rc1 7. g7! Rg1 8. Kh8! Rc1 9. g8=Q! Rg1 10.
>>Qg3 Rxh1 11. Nc7 Rd1 12. Qxh2
>
>I notice that the line you give of course has a 'high' evaluation
>as winning; but you didn't take the Line to Mate!
>
>I know you respect Fritz & Shredder analysis,,
>Right now I have Shredder running and at 26 Ply, so far it hasn't found a Mate.
>
>I'll keep it runnning, but would apprecite it, if you have found a Mate
>to please Post it, & save me some time.
>
>Thanks,
>Chan


Ok, here's the whole line :

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "e8=N!!"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/p3P3/rp6/kp6/1p4PK/1P6/1P5p/4r2R w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "31"]

1. e8=N Rg1 2. Kh5 Rd1 3. g5 Rg1 4. Kh6 Rd1 5. g6 Rg1 6. Kh7 Rf1 7. g7 Rg1 8.
Kh8 Rc1 9. g8=Q Rg1 10. Qg7 Re1 11. Kh7 Rg1 12. Qg6 Re1 13. Kh6 Rg1 14. Qg5 Rf1
15. Kh5 Rg1 16. Qg3 *

Now, white king will go shelter on g2 and white have 2 mate threat N->d6->b7
mate and R->a1 mate



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