Author: Vincent Lejeune
Date: 08:40:03 03/27/05
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On March 27, 2005 at 11:36:34, Mike Byrne wrote: >On March 27, 2005 at 11:18:35, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>On March 27, 2005 at 10:24:52, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On March 27, 2005 at 06:56:35, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >>> >>>>On March 26, 2005 at 21:30:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 26, 2005 at 19:46:58, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On March 26, 2005 at 15:34:45, Dieter Buerssner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On March 26, 2005 at 15:29:42, Dieter Buerssner wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On March 26, 2005 at 15:20:17, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>after the main line : Kf2 f5 h3 Kc7 g3 hxg3 is winning no? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Black(2): his >>>>>>>>> white black >>>>>>>>> 1 Kf2 f5 >>>>>>>>> 2 h3 Kc7 >>>>>>>>> 3 g3 ... >>>>>>>>> 17 25.52 -7.17 3. ... hxg3+ 4. Kxg3 f4+ 5. Kg4 b6 >>>>>>>>> 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 gxh4 8. c6 Kxc6 9. >>>>>>>>> Kg4 b5 10. a5 b4 11. Kxh4 Kb5 12. Kg4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In this line, Yace says 8. c6? is losing, while 8.cxb6 is draw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is such an obvious blunder, that it looks like a bug in Crafty. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>Dieter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Probably a bug in the static eval of the pawn endgame. after 3 min@3 Ghz : >>>>> >>>>>I can't reproduce Mikes PV with this "c6 bug"... I don't get c6 at any point >>>>>that I can see, it always takes... >>>>> >>>>>Any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>>I succeded to replicate c6 as best move : >>>>1) without any EGTB >>>>2) starting with this position 8/1p1k4/5p2/2Pp2p1/P2P3p/8/6PP/6K1 w - - 0 1 >>>>3) under chessbase interface >>>>4) played 1. Kf2 f5 2. h3 Kc7 3. g3 hxg3+ 4. Kxg3 with 5 between each move >>>>5) the score is rising for white but it so long I stopped >>>>Is it a problem related to only pawns endgame eval or linked to hashtables too ? >>>> >>> >>>I suggest not to test under Chessbase GUI unless you are using the native >>>chessbase crafty engine. >> >>I use the native chessbase crafty engine. > >after Kxg3 above, you should see a draw score -- Crafty output from a console >window is below - anything else and something is broken -- in my case it was >bad kppkp egtb. I would contact Chessbase since they compiled thenative >chessbase Crafty. > >White(4): Kxg3 >analyze.White(4): White(4): Kxg3 > clearing hash tables > time surplus 0.00 time limit 10:00 (10:00) > depth time score variation (1) > 9 0.05 -0.50 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 b6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. cxb6+ Kxb6 9. Kg4 Ka5 10. Kxh4 > Kxa4 (s=3) > 9-> 0.08 -0.50 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 b6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. cxb6+ Kxb6 9. Kg4 Ka5 10. Kxh4 > Kxa4 > 10 0.10 -0.82 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 Ke7 9. a5 Ke6 10. Kxh4 > 10-> 0.11 -0.82 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 Ke7 9. a5 Ke6 10. Kxh4 > 11 0.14 -0.72 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > h4 f3 8. Kxf3 gxh4 9. Kg4 Ke7 10. Kxh4 > 11-> 0.16 -0.72 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > h4 f3 8. Kxf3 gxh4 9. Kg4 Ke7 10. Kxh4 > 12 0.22 -0.50 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > c6 Kc7 8. cxb7 Kxb7 9. h4 f3 10. Kxf3 > gxh4 11. Kg4 Ka6 12. Kxh4 Kxa5 > 12-> 0.25 -0.50 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > c6 Kc7 8. cxb7 Kxb7 9. h4 f3 10. Kxf3 > gxh4 11. Kg4 Ka6 12. Kxh4 Kxa5 > 13 0.33 -0.60 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > Kf3 Kc7 8. Kg2 Kb8 9. Kf2 Ka7 10. c6 > bxc6 11. Kf3 > 13-> 0.43 -0.60 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kd7 6. a5 Kd8 7. > Kf3 Kc7 8. Kg2 Kb8 9. Kf2 Ka7 10. c6 > bxc6 11. Kf3 > 14 0.58 +1 4. ... f4+ > 14 0.78 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 14-> 0.89 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 15 1.05 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 15-> 1.18 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> (s=2) > 16 1.49 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 16-> 1.80 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> (s=2) > 17 2.60 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 17-> 3.11 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> (s=2) > 18 4.30 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 18-> 5.47 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> (s=2) > 19 8.07 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 19-> 11.30 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> (s=2) > 20 18.07 -0.01 4. ... f4+ 5. Kg4 Kc6 6. h4 f3 7. Kxf3 > gxh4 8. Kg4 b6 9. cxb6 Kxb6 10. Kxh4 > <EGTB> > 20 24.85 8/9? 4. ... g4 I succeded to replicate c6 as best move : 1) without any EGTB 2) starting with this position 8/1p1k4/5p2/2Pp2p1/P2P3p/8/6PP/6K1 w - - 0 1 3) under chessbase interface 4) played 1. Kf2 f5 2. h3 Kc7 3. g3 hxg3+ 4. Kxg3 with 5 seconds between each move (?)
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