Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 09:22:53 03/31/05
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On March 31, 2005 at 11:27:43, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>On March 31, 2005 at 11:00:11, F. Huber wrote:
>
>>On March 31, 2005 at 10:09:48, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On March 31, 2005 at 09:54:46, F. Huber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 31, 2005 at 09:39:52, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I am not at all interested in how
>>>>> fast a "normal" chess program does solve
>>>>> a chess problem with mate in X but much more
>>>>> interested in seeing the performance of an
>>>>> engine in practical chess positions (positions
>>>>> that can happen in a game). For chess problems
>>>>> we can use the special programs. And so it does
>>>>> not bother me if Shredder should need a lot of time
>>>>> to find the solution in the given position :-)
>>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>>Hello Kurt,
>>>>
>>>>"practical chess positions (positions that can happen in a game)"?
>>>>Would you say, a position with mate in X can _not_ happen in a game?
>>>>Have you really never _mated_ your opponent (or have been mated by him)?
>>>>
>>>>A quite strange opinion - IMO. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Franz.
>>>
>>> Hello Franz
>>> For your better understanding I should perhaps
>>> have stated "realistic" and "unrealistic"
>>> chess positions.
>>> Regards
>>> Kurt
>>
>>Hello Kurt,
>>
>>that won´t change anything - look at the #5 position in the posting at the
>>start of this thread: is this "unrealistic"? Not at all IMO!
>>
>>And the same is true for lots of mate problems, although of course there
>>exist also many mate puzzles, which are absolutely ´constructed´ and so
>>(in your words) "unrealistic".
>>But isn´t the _main_ goal of chess some ´mate in X´?
>
>No, the main goal is to force resignation of your opponent.
>
>>So almost every won (or lost) game ends up in such a ´mate in X´ -
>>and that´s absolutely "realistic"! :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>Franz.
>
>Kurt is absolutely right.The solution is not realistic at all.
>1.Kh5 is _not_ the best move in this position in human chess, 1.Bxd5+ is.
>Why?
>It wins the game ímmediately since any decent chessplayer would resign in no
>time in view of 1...Kxd5 2.Ne3+.
>
>Michael
Just right Michael
The position is in so far unrealistic as
White can easily win with 1.Bxd5 and any
chessplayer (who deserves this title) would
have resigned before not allowing White to get
this position. And in such situations it's
absolutely of non interest if White can
mate in X moves.
Kurt
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