Author: Lar Mader
Date: 15:05:19 04/01/05
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On April 01, 2005 at 12:29:12, Mike Byrne wrote: >On April 01, 2005 at 11:02:05, Lar Mader wrote: > >>On April 01, 2005 at 10:20:30, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On April 01, 2005 at 03:25:48, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>>On March 31, 2005 at 16:08:46, Lar Mader wrote: >>>> >>>>>Has anyone had any experience with, or done any testing of, ChessGenius 2.x ARM >>>>>vs. ChessTiger 15.x for the Palm. The ChessGenius ARM program seems pretty >>>>>strong, but I think that ChessTiger was stronger than the non-ARM version of >>>>>ChessGenius. Also, any guesses as to ELO (that is, SSDF relative ELO)? >>>>> >>>>>-= Lar >>>> >>>>from my testing the NON arm tiger is stronger then the ARM genius. >>>>hardware is not anything. >>> >>>300 Mhz ArM genius is not stronger than a 42Mhz Tiger ?-- I think you're >>>mistaken. I can underclock my PPC Genius to 300 Mhz and compare over the >>>weekend. >> >>If you mean that you are going to compare a 300 Mhz machine running Genius to a >>42 Mhz machine running Tiger, I'm not sure that is what we want to test (unless >>you are responding to the comment that "...hardware is not anything."). >> >>At least I am more interested in which program plays stronger on the same >>machine. For example my Palm Tungsten E can run the ARM version of Genius and >>the non ARM Tiger. So I'm interested in which performs better in this >>environment (same hardware). >> >>-= Lar > >I'm not convinced that Tiger would be stronger than the Genius program optimized >for xscale, but it would certainly perform better than 42 Mhz tiger. > >Teh benchmark "Tiger index" on a 300 Mhz Arm is about 2.5. That may imply >nearly a 200 point increase in Tiger 42 Mhz, or 2300 SSDF. I believe the Genius >ARM at 600 Mhz is 2450 at least. So a Genius Arm running on a 300 Mhz Arm may >be 2375. These are all rough estimates, so Tiger and Genius ARM running onthe >same hardware most likely would be less than 100 points difference and I would >favor the Genius program as being stronger. > >HIARCS running at 300 Mhz is close to 2600 imo. Thanks for your input on all of this. The Hiarcs web site quotes testing information that definitely agrees with you. By the way, I am really impressed with Hiarcs for the Palm. Excellent feature set, wonderfully strong, and I like the handicapped levels (sparring, etc). One question - for some reason the Challenger chess set/pieces in ChessTiger don't look nearly as nice as the Challenger set in Genius and Hiarcs. In Tiger it seems to be using fewer colors, so the shading is worse and there is no anti-aliasing (everything looks blocky). Is something wrong? The screen shots on the Tiger website also look better. Stange... -= Lar
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