Author: Tony Petters
Date: 04:49:03 04/09/05
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On April 08, 2005 at 21:06:02, Walter Faxon wrote: >On April 08, 2005 at 18:16:15, Tony Petters wrote: > >>On April 08, 2005 at 15:50:45, Walter Faxon wrote: >> >>>Just looking around and found this >>>(http://sccs.muldermedia.de/index.php?section=links&subsection=deepblue) record >>>of a talk by Feng-hsiung Hsu at Hot Chips 10 (1998): >>> >>>"He thinks state of the art process can give 30 million chess positions per >>>second in a single chip today. A small array of such chips plugged into a PC >>>could beat Kasparov. In a few years (0.18u) a single chip could be as fast as >>>the entire Deep Blue machine." >>> >>>Today MOSIS can supply custom 0.18u chips >>>(http://www.mosis.org/Orders/Prices/price-list-domestic.html#ami12). I estimate >>>that their undiscounted price for a single (large) 150mm^2 chip to be about >>>$236,625. >>> >>>Hmmm... I think I'll wait and buy it used! >>> >>>-- Walter >> >>Are you saying that a single CPU can be purchased that makes 30 millions calcs >>per second is available for $ 236,000 ? >> >>DB was clocked at 200 million calcs per second, so why would it be able to beat >>Kasparov ? >> >>Cordially > > >Not 30 million standard computer instructions, rather 30 million chess positions >per second. That's move generation, position updating, and a very complex >static evaluator, plus search control. Equivalent to a thousand or probably >several thousand simple integer instructions per position. That was possible to >design into a single chip in 1998. A better chip could be designed and built >today. You cannot now buy either off the shelf. > >M NPS = Million Nodes (positions) Per Second: > >1997 -- Deeper Blue, older technology -- 1M NPS/chip x 200 chips = 200M NPS >1998 -- then-current chip technology -- 30M NPS/chip x 7 chips = 210M NPS >2005 -- 0.18u chip technology -- 200M NPS/chip = 200M NPS on a single chip > >Dr. Hsu assumes 200M NPS is enough to beat a Kasparov, since it was in 1997. I >agree since the programming, which has been criticized, can only be improved. >Emerson tan is correct that IBM owns all the DB software, but with enough money >it can be bought or duplicated. (Probably not bought if by an IBM competitor.) > >However, Dr. Hyatt has written elsewhere that due to the increasing power of >standard PCs and programs, there isn't enough of a market to make selling these >chess chips, however packaged, a paying proposition. It would be a publicity >stunt, like DB itself. > >-- Walter That is interesting Walter, is this chip being used by a computer chess program anywhere on the Internet ? 2005 -- 0.18u chip technology -- 200M NPS/chip = 200M NPS on a single chip Do u have the exact URL link to this chip, I could not find it at your orginal link posted. Yes, this would be nice to have in a PC, it would certainly increase the power of chess programs and computer games in general !!
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