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Subject: Re: Start your engines!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 06:09:22 04/15/05

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On April 15, 2005 at 07:48:47, Daniel Pineo wrote:

>On April 15, 2005 at 05:07:08, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2005 at 00:29:32, Daniel Pineo wrote:
>>
>>>On April 14, 2005 at 19:58:29, Jason Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is an interesting position in a game I played (with white) against Shredder
>>>>9 UCI.  Do any engines actually prefer white here?
>>>>
>>>>[D]1r3rk1/p1qbbppp/p3p3/3p1nPP/3P1P2/4PN2/PP3K2/R1BQ1NR1 w - -
>>>
>>>I would hope not.  Are you suggesting white is winning?  White is badly behind
>>>in development with both rooks out of play, a bad and undeveloped bishop, a
>>>knight out of play at f1, and the queen still on d1 where she started.  In fact,
>>>the only developed piece is the knight on f3.  Not too impressive considering
>>>this move is availible as the very first move of the game.  White's kingside
>>>protection is gone and the king is sitting on a weak second rank, about to be
>>>checked by an attack down the b or c files (or both).  Any hope white has for
>>>counterplay on the kingside with the pushed pawns is a dream, the rook on g1
>>>just isn't going to be enough to get the job done.
>>>
>>>Black on the otherhand is very well developed.  Black has connected rooks, two
>>>good bishops, a well posted knight(with another post 2 hops away at e4), a safe
>>>king, and control of every open file on the board.
>>
>>1.Ng3 Threatening to remove Black's most active piece.
>
>If you capture f5 then you're just going to give black the open e file to apply
>pressure on your backward e3 pawn.  E3 is critical since if e3 falls then d4 and
>f4 become weak.  Is the knight worth it?  Another weakness to defend is really
>not what white needs right now.
>
>>White has a space advantage on the Kingside.
>
>Space is useful for quickly maneuvering pieces around and for cramping the
>opponent's ability to respond to threats.  White isn't prepared to do anything
>in that space, all it has there is two knights, which don't really need space to
>operate anyway.  Also, the overextended pawns are leaving weakly defended
>squares in their wake, like g4, h4, and h3.  These squares all need to be
>defended by pieces now.
>
>>Certainly the better Pawn structure on the Queenside.
>
>Black is far better on the queenside.  Black has a choice of files to attack
>down.  Responding to pressure on the b file with b2b3 will just weaken c3,
>giving an attacking point towards e3.


Nothing is forced, Black can only make one move at a time.
He has pawns to defend also.

  White's queenside rook and bishop are
>useless, white might as well just hand them to black.
>
>>White can slowly improve his position, and challenge the Open File.
>
>White has so many weak squares due to pawn moves that must be defended by
>pieces.  This will make every piece move a major challenge.
>
>>Black, with 2 Isolated pawns on the a file, a serious endgame weakness
>>cannot be better!
>
>A good player will be able to build sufficient pressure against a combination of
>white's weaknesses and force it to give up material.

A good player would salivate over Blacks isolated pawns too.


>White won't be able to
>respond in time.

You don't know that.


 If the endgame is materially even, then black has squandered
>away its advantage.

Black does not have an advantage.


>
>>Are you suggesting Black is winning?
>>[D]1r3rk1/p1qbbppp/p3p3/3p1nPP/3P1P2/4PNN1/PP3K2/R1BQ2R1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Lets play Chess.
>
>Sure, I'm not very good though  :)

I meant play against Shredder.
Let the Engines play the best lines....
see if the Humans agree with them.

Neither side has a material advantage, & Black could soon have
4 isolated pawns.

Black to move, let's see how the Engines consider the position.



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