Author: chandler yergin
Date: 06:09:22 04/15/05
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On April 15, 2005 at 07:48:47, Daniel Pineo wrote: >On April 15, 2005 at 05:07:08, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On April 15, 2005 at 00:29:32, Daniel Pineo wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2005 at 19:58:29, Jason Kent wrote: >>> >>>>Here is an interesting position in a game I played (with white) against Shredder >>>>9 UCI. Do any engines actually prefer white here? >>>> >>>>[D]1r3rk1/p1qbbppp/p3p3/3p1nPP/3P1P2/4PN2/PP3K2/R1BQ1NR1 w - - >>> >>>I would hope not. Are you suggesting white is winning? White is badly behind >>>in development with both rooks out of play, a bad and undeveloped bishop, a >>>knight out of play at f1, and the queen still on d1 where she started. In fact, >>>the only developed piece is the knight on f3. Not too impressive considering >>>this move is availible as the very first move of the game. White's kingside >>>protection is gone and the king is sitting on a weak second rank, about to be >>>checked by an attack down the b or c files (or both). Any hope white has for >>>counterplay on the kingside with the pushed pawns is a dream, the rook on g1 >>>just isn't going to be enough to get the job done. >>> >>>Black on the otherhand is very well developed. Black has connected rooks, two >>>good bishops, a well posted knight(with another post 2 hops away at e4), a safe >>>king, and control of every open file on the board. >> >>1.Ng3 Threatening to remove Black's most active piece. > >If you capture f5 then you're just going to give black the open e file to apply >pressure on your backward e3 pawn. E3 is critical since if e3 falls then d4 and >f4 become weak. Is the knight worth it? Another weakness to defend is really >not what white needs right now. > >>White has a space advantage on the Kingside. > >Space is useful for quickly maneuvering pieces around and for cramping the >opponent's ability to respond to threats. White isn't prepared to do anything >in that space, all it has there is two knights, which don't really need space to >operate anyway. Also, the overextended pawns are leaving weakly defended >squares in their wake, like g4, h4, and h3. These squares all need to be >defended by pieces now. > >>Certainly the better Pawn structure on the Queenside. > >Black is far better on the queenside. Black has a choice of files to attack >down. Responding to pressure on the b file with b2b3 will just weaken c3, >giving an attacking point towards e3. Nothing is forced, Black can only make one move at a time. He has pawns to defend also. White's queenside rook and bishop are >useless, white might as well just hand them to black. > >>White can slowly improve his position, and challenge the Open File. > >White has so many weak squares due to pawn moves that must be defended by >pieces. This will make every piece move a major challenge. > >>Black, with 2 Isolated pawns on the a file, a serious endgame weakness >>cannot be better! > >A good player will be able to build sufficient pressure against a combination of >white's weaknesses and force it to give up material. A good player would salivate over Blacks isolated pawns too. >White won't be able to >respond in time. You don't know that. If the endgame is materially even, then black has squandered >away its advantage. Black does not have an advantage. > >>Are you suggesting Black is winning? >>[D]1r3rk1/p1qbbppp/p3p3/3p1nPP/3P1P2/4PNN1/PP3K2/R1BQ2R1 b - - 0 1 >> >>Lets play Chess. > >Sure, I'm not very good though :) I meant play against Shredder. Let the Engines play the best lines.... see if the Humans agree with them. Neither side has a material advantage, & Black could soon have 4 isolated pawns. Black to move, let's see how the Engines consider the position.
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