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Subject: Re: Blathy problem - mate in 16

Author: Ross Boyd

Date: 02:21:30 04/19/05

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On April 18, 2005 at 22:55:31, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 18, 2005 at 22:41:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 18, 2005 at 22:29:09, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On April 18, 2005 at 21:32:59, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 18, 2005 at 07:24:11, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>part of the problem is check extensions and part of the problem is probably
>>>>>pruning based on evaluation together with other factors that I should improve.
>>>>
>>>>Why should check extensions make any difference in this position?  Neither side
>>>>should be giving any checks.
>>>
>>>The problem is that most of the search time is not on the right line but in what
>>>happens after queen promotion.
>>>
>>>Movei cannot find the knight promotion in a reasonable time(I did not try more
>>>than 30 minutes on a fast PC) but almost all the search time is on queen
>>>promotion.
>>>
>>>After performing the knight promotion finding the mate is easy for movei.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Note that check extensions was only a thought and I am not sure that it is the
>>problem.
>>
>>single reply extensions after queen promotion may be a bigger problem(single
>>reply extensions are done also after a knight promotion but they do not help
>>much because depth reductions that is not null move pruning are also used and
>>probably they are used more after knight promotion).
>>
>>Uri
>
>Checking show that you are right that check extensions are not the problem and
>single reply extension is the problem that prevent movei to go deep because
>after queen promotion there are a lot of moves that force single reply that are
>not checks.
>
>Uri

:-)

That sounds like the cause of the problem. The tree would explode. Do you limit
single replies in any way? In 99% of positions its not going to be a problem
anyway, so no need to fix it. Maybe put a hard limit of 4 non-check extensions
or whatever works best.

Ross







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