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Subject: Re: What I did. (oops, what a pity ...)

Author: Graham Banks

Date: 11:54:40 04/19/05

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On April 19, 2005 at 14:21:37, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On April 19, 2005 at 13:22:01, Graham Banks wrote:
>
>>On April 19, 2005 at 02:08:43, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Graham
>>>Have you ever read my comments on CM-Settings on our homepage at
>>>http://www.utzingerk.com/how_to_use.htm
>>>then you would have seen the following very
>>>important information:
>>>
>>>"Furthermore we know from experience that The King is quite often
>>>not implemented in the correct way and this of course leads to
>>>completely wrong results of matches and unnecesary discussions
>>>about a specific CM-setting. To create separate UCI-engines
>>>for each CM-setting defined in the Wb2Uci.eng under [EXTRAS]
>>>should be avoided at all cost."
>>>
>>>With such a set-up The King will not produce the same
>>>moves as in its orginal GUI !!
>>>
>>>
>>>Method 3 (do never use this one)
>>>
>>>[ENGINE]
>>>Name=The King 3.23
>>>Author=Johan de Koning
>>>Filename=Wb2Uci.exe
>>>
>>>[OPTIONS]
>>>Program=TheKing3.23.exe
>>>InitString=cm_parm default\ncm_parm opk=xxx
>>>HashCommand=cm_parm tts=%i004096
>>>;ShowThinkingMove=true
>>>;Logfile=true
>>>Visible=Ponder,Hash,ShowThinkingMove,Logfile,Extras
>>>
>>>
>>>[EXTRAS]
>>>Opponents Pawn (opp)=cm_parm opp=%i|spin|100|0|4500
>>>Opponents Knight (opn)=cm_parm opn=%i|spin|100|0|1500
>>>Opponents Bishop (opb)=cm_parm opb=%i|spin|100|0|1500
>>>Opponents Rook (opr)=cm_parm opr=%i|spin|100|0|900
>>>Opponents Queen (opq)=cm_parm opq=%i|spin|100|0|498
>>>Kings Pawn (myp)=cm_parm myp=%i|spin|100|0|4500
>>>Kings Knight (myn)=cm_parm myn=%i|spin|100|0|1500
>>>Kings Bishop (myb)=cm_parm myb=%i|spin|100|0|1500
>>>Kings Rook (myr)=cm_parm myr=%i|spin|100|0|900
>>>Kings Queen (myq)=cm_parm myq=%i|spin|100|0|498
>>>Contempt (cfd)=cm_parm cfd=%i|spin|0|-500|500
>>>Strength (sop)=cm_parm sop=%i|spin|100|0|100
>>>Attack Defend (avd)=cm_parm avd=%i|spin|0|-100|100
>>>Randomness (rnd)=cm_parm rnd=%i|spin|0|0|100
>>>Selective Search (sel)=cm_parm sel=%i|spin|9|0|16
>>>Max Depth (md)=cm_parm md=%i|spin|999|0|999
>>>My Centre Control (mycc)=cm_parm mycc=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>My Mobility (mymob)=cm_parm mymob=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>My King Safety (myks)=cm_parm myks=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>My Passed Pawn (mypp)=cm_parm mypp=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>My Pawn Weakness (mypw)=cm_parm mypw=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>Opponent's Centre Control (opcc)=cm_parm opcc=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>Opponent's Mobility (opmob)=cm_parm opmob=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>Opponent's King Safety (opks)=cm_parm opks=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>Opponent's Passed Pawn (oppp)=cm_parm oppp=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>Opponent's Weakness (oppw)=cm_parm oppw=%i|spin|100|0|600
>>>
>>>
>>>Kind regards
>>>Kurt
>>
>>
>>Hi Kurt,
>>
>>I disagree with you on this. I've always used this method and CM9000 has
>>produced excellent results in my tournaments as shown. I would like to see some
>>evidence to back up your claim!
>
>      Hi Graham
>      Please compare moves/evaluation in CM-GUI and Fritz-GUI
>      of a specific setting: they are not identical if the
>      paramaters are defined under [EXTRAS] and that's the
>      thing I do not like. If this does not bother you, you
>      may nevertheless have fun with CM-Settings. Personally,
>      I always want to know what I am testing and this is
>      not guaranteed the way you have implemented The King
>      under Fritz-GUI. Only the methods with textfiles or the
>      the method with settings (parameters) defined in the
>      InitString are therefore recommanded by me. We (Manfred
>      Meiler and myself) have tried to find out why this is
>      so with Odd Gunnar Malin some years ago, but did not
>      found out the reason of the not identical behaviour
>      of the engine.
>      Kind regards
>      Kurt


Hi Kurt,

I will try it out and see what happens. It is interesting to note that I have
always used your preferred method with CM10th, but CM9000 still seems to do well
in comparison!

Regards, Graham.



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