Author: Tony Nichols
Date: 02:36:01 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 05:29:32, George Tsavdaris wrote: >On April 22, 2005 at 05:03:00, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >> >>In positional (or overall) play human are far above computers. It's easy to >>check with first go through something like 'How good is your chess' by Danial >>King or the guess the move lecture in Chessmaster. Then let the computer do the >>same. I bet you as an 1800 player would score better than the comp, even I do it >>in several games and I'm 1500. This messure the overall play and don't punish >>you enough for your misses like in a normal game. > >I agree, not completely but i agree........ > >> >>Even in deep tactics a GM is better than a computer, the computers tactical >>superior is in the speed to find short tactics (3-7 moves). > > Yes but deep tactics, need precise play and humans doesn't have this, so this >is not an advantage for humans...... > >> >>So why do a computer win? It plays tacticaly at maybe 2400 level, > >No, it plays tactically (short tactics) in above 2900 level with absolute >precise! > >>the difference >>from a human is that it play at this level all the moves. A human player (even a >>GM) don't play at his highest level the hole game. Just go throug a game with a >>computer and you will se many small misses, and of course also many moves that >>the comp initialy say is bad but when you walk through the variation it start >>agreeing with the played move. >> >>Maybe you could say that a GM varies his play between 1800 and 2900 while the >>computer play steady at 2400. > >Absolutely not! 1800??? No way......... > I believe that they can vary between 2650 to 2900 and in very rare occasions >they do a mistakes of a 2000 player, but this is too rare to be taken into >consideration..... > >> >>To conclude: A game of chess is a competition where the result is depended on >>several factors, tactics, positional understanding, full consentration through >>the hole game. And when you should judge a computers strengt messuered in either >>Elo or title (GM/IM strength) you have to look only at the result of the >>competition, this is what Elo and GM/IM norms are about. >> > > The reason, for me, that computers can play at an equal level with top GM's is >the amazing (short) tactical ability they have, the amazing defensive ability >they have, but the most important is that they never make any blunders or even >just mistakes that would cost the game and this means also that if they have a >winning position they will win..........! Hi, George I don't agree that computers play short tactics above 2900 level. I think that many test suites demonstrate that. Regards Tony
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