Author: Tony Nichols
Date: 03:07:37 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 05:44:20, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote: > >> I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it. >>Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. > > >I do not agree. > > > All >>this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. > > >Humans are not 3000 elo but I agree that Hydra is probably weaker than 3000. > > In fact, All the elo claims for >>computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing >>against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even >>an average GM(no disrespect). > >I disagree. > >I believe that if players with rating near 2000 play enough games against GM >they will draw or win games. > >People can play many games against computers when they cannot do the same >against GM's. > >I also know about cases when a player with rating under 2000 beated a GM and I >know of another case when a player with rating of near 2100 beated a GM. > > > These high level man vs machine matches are just >>promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many >>reasons: >>1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They >>also don't want their achievement to be devalued. >>2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it >>you certainly will not get invited to another match. >>I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in >>a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who >>regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their >>fantasy? I don't know. >>I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However, >>even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during >>analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No. >>The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics >>and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a >>controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then >>have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not >>even consider it. > >Of course because humans use opening book. > >If you want to be fair with no opening book then give them to play a different >opening position when both sides do not know the position before the game so >they cannot prepare theory knowledge. > >Uri Hi, Uri Some humans use opening books. Some humans write them. A very few create real theory. No human uses opening books during the game. As far as 2000 players beating GMs. I don't think this would happen in a match as opposed to a tourney. Many times GMs take risks to score more points. Regards Tony
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