Author: chandler yergin
Date: 03:10:40 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote: > I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it. >Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. All >this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. In fact, All the elo claims for >computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing >against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even >an average GM(no disrespect). These high level man vs machine matches are just >promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many >reasons: >1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They >also don't want their achievement to be devalued. >2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it >you certainly will not get invited to another match. >I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in >a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who >regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their >fantasy? I don't know. >I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However, >even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during >analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No. >The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics >and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a >controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then >have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not >even consider it. >I am interested in what others have to say!? >Regards >Tony A brief History... http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/history.html The Ratings of the Top Programs should be added here.. Perhaps someone could oblige? Yes Computer Programs have come a long way.. A hypothetical challenge: To get a 'fair' playing field, and to truly test the performance of a Program let's not use Opening Books DataBases or EGTB's. Get a little school girl age 10 -12 who has never played chess, teach her the rules of the game. Now, both the Computer & the girl know the Rules. Have a 10 game match under Tournament time controls.. Who do you think will win?
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