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Subject: Re: The truth about chess programs

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 03:10:40 04/22/05

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On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote:

> I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it.
>Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. All
>this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. In fact, All the elo claims for
>computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing
>against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even
>an average GM(no disrespect). These high level man vs machine matches are just
>promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many
>reasons:
>1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They
>also don't want their achievement to be devalued.
>2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it
>you certainly will not get invited to another match.
>I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in
>a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who
>regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their
>fantasy? I don't know.
>I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However,
>even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during
>analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No.
>The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics
>and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a
>controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then
>have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not
>even consider it.
>I am interested in what others have to say!?
>Regards
>Tony


A brief History...

http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/history.html

The Ratings of the Top Programs should be added here..
Perhaps someone could oblige?

Yes Computer Programs have come a long way..

A hypothetical challenge:

To get a 'fair' playing field, and to truly test the performance of a Program
let's not use Opening Books DataBases or EGTB's.

Get a little school girl age 10 -12 who has never played chess,
teach her the rules of the game.

Now, both the Computer & the girl know the Rules.
Have a 10 game match under Tournament time controls..

Who do you think will win?



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