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Subject: Re: The truth about chess programs

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 07:38:44 04/22/05

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On April 22, 2005 at 08:31:44, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On April 22, 2005 at 06:10:40, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote:
>>
>>> I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it.
>>>Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. All
>>>this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. In fact, All the elo claims for
>>>computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing
>>>against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even
>>>an average GM(no disrespect). These high level man vs machine matches are just
>>>promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many
>>>reasons:
>>>1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They
>>>also don't want their achievement to be devalued.
>>>2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it
>>>you certainly will not get invited to another match.
>>>I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in
>>>a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who
>>>regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their
>>>fantasy? I don't know.
>>>I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However,
>>>even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during
>>>analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No.
>>>The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics
>>>and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a
>>>controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then
>>>have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not
>>>even consider it.
>>>I am interested in what others have to say!?
>>>Regards
>>>Tony
>>
>>
>>A brief History...
>>
>>http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/history.html
>>
>>The Ratings of the Top Programs should be added here..
>>Perhaps someone could oblige?
>>
>>Yes Computer Programs have come a long way..
>>
>>A hypothetical challenge:
>>
>>To get a 'fair' playing field, and to truly test the performance of a Program
>>let's not use Opening Books DataBases or EGTB's.
>>
>>Get a little school girl age 10 -12 who has never played chess,
>>teach her the rules of the game.
>>
>>Now, both the Computer & the girl know the Rules.
>>Have a 10 game match under Tournament time controls..
>>
>>Who do you think will win?
>
>They quit doing this decades ago.

Prove it!

>
>Oh the kid with no skill or knowledge outside the rules will be decimated.

Prove it!



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