Author: chandler yergin
Date: 07:38:44 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 08:31:44, Terry McCracken wrote: >On April 22, 2005 at 06:10:40, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote: >> >>> I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it. >>>Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. All >>>this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. In fact, All the elo claims for >>>computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing >>>against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even >>>an average GM(no disrespect). These high level man vs machine matches are just >>>promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many >>>reasons: >>>1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They >>>also don't want their achievement to be devalued. >>>2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it >>>you certainly will not get invited to another match. >>>I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in >>>a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who >>>regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their >>>fantasy? I don't know. >>>I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However, >>>even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during >>>analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No. >>>The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics >>>and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a >>>controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then >>>have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not >>>even consider it. >>>I am interested in what others have to say!? >>>Regards >>>Tony >> >> >>A brief History... >> >>http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/history.html >> >>The Ratings of the Top Programs should be added here.. >>Perhaps someone could oblige? >> >>Yes Computer Programs have come a long way.. >> >>A hypothetical challenge: >> >>To get a 'fair' playing field, and to truly test the performance of a Program >>let's not use Opening Books DataBases or EGTB's. >> >>Get a little school girl age 10 -12 who has never played chess, >>teach her the rules of the game. >> >>Now, both the Computer & the girl know the Rules. >>Have a 10 game match under Tournament time controls.. >> >>Who do you think will win? > >They quit doing this decades ago. Prove it! > >Oh the kid with no skill or knowledge outside the rules will be decimated. Prove it!
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