Author: chandler yergin
Date: 15:00:38 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 17:56:03, Terry McCracken wrote: >On April 22, 2005 at 17:51:28, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On April 22, 2005 at 16:21:20, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >> >>>Just to humour your argument , please take a loot at any of these position's. >>> >>>[D]1nb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQk - 0 1 >>>[D]1nbqkbn1/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1 >>>[D]1nb1kbn1/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1 >>>[D]2b1kb2/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQ - 0 1 >>> >>> >>>I seriously doubt if any program will show a mate for these (the last position - >>>maybe it might find a mate). >>>Does that mean that the eval of 22+ pawns for these positions is wrong ? >>>Definitely not ! >>>The program can see itself winning and making progress. >>>We are not talking about bean counter programs here which have very poor >>>positional and material knowledge - I am sure others might have tried to explain >>>this to you :) >>>Just consider this - when will you say a position is better than other ? >>>Only when you can see the mate ? When there is a certainity of victory even >>>though you can possibly get to the mate in realtime (not just humans , but even >>>computers) ? >>>So if you are a queen down in an endgame , will you continue to play till the >>>bitter and miserable end ? (assuming the opponent is as competent as you) - if >>>you do this in a tourny , people will term you as obnoxious :) But trust me , I >>>have seen people do that even in dead lost endgames with lone kind against 3 >>>passed pawns with no chance to stop the pawns :) >>>One of the reasons why programmers usually let their programs play to the bitter >>>end is that no one is actually wasting any mental energy thinking , also that it >>>will be instructive to look at the variations taken so that the programmer can >>>better analyze the game latter (like going from a mate in 28 to mate in 19 - >>>should improve engine to prevent this - that sort of thing). >>> >>>I am not sure if I conveyed what I wanted to. >>> >>>And my program also says 3.6 pawns adv - which slowly keeps rising after each >>>iteration. >>> >>>Regards >>>Mridul >> >>Why should we look at illegal positions? >> >>You don't understand that engines can show a high PV eval, and the position is >>still a Draw! >>Sorry, you have no argument. > >Chandler he understands, when will you listen? Don't try to give an answer when you don't understand the Question or the problem. It just makes you look silly, but then you're used to that I guess. ;) BTW I'm sure he can speak for himself!
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