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Subject: Re: Order of the Phoenix Applying for membership.... ;)

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 08:13:14 04/24/05

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Since I am the only one responding.. ;)

I Post again the Diagram, and my proof, that PV Evals are often misleading,

even high ones. They are based, as I said on "Static Positional Factors"

in a Quiescent position, programmed in.

Material, Mobility, King Safty, strong & weak squares etc. etc...

A winning eval +- does not necessarily mean the side so evaluated

has a true winning position.

If the Computer cannot demonstrate a  forced line to Mate

after a Search to 40 or 50 Ply; there isn't one.

New game,
[D]2k5/4R3/1p6/1K6/P2b4/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1.Kc6
  +-  (3.18)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:06
1.Kc6 Kd8
  +-  (2.63)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Kc6 Kd8
  +-  (2.63)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Ka6 b5
  +-  (3.21)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Ka6 Kd8
  +-  (3.21)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Rf7 Kb8
  +-  (3.22)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Rf7 Kb8
  +-  (3.22)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:06
1.Rf7 Kd8 2.Kc6
  +-  (3.16)   Depth: 3/4   00:00:06
1.Kc6 Bg1 2.Kb5
  +-  (3.25)   Depth: 3/4   00:00:06
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:06
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 4/6   00:00:07
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:08
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:10
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 7/12   00:00:18  4kN, tb=145
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:40  9kN, tb=307
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 9/14   00:01:08  16kN, tb=521
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 10/15   00:02:07  26kN, tb=837
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 11/18   00:03:08  48kN, tb=1668
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 12/15   00:03:26  70kN, tb=2419
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 13/16   00:03:50  110kN, tb=3791
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 14/18   00:04:03  156kN, tb=5316
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 15/17   00:04:13  209kN, tb=7529
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 16/18   00:04:19  269kN, tb=9676
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Rd7
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 17/19   00:04:23  344kN, tb=12604
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 18/24   00:04:31  486kN, tb=18240
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 19/22   00:04:52  837kN, tb=31509
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 20/22   00:05:06  1090kN, tb=42281
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 21/22   00:05:52  1850kN, tb=69072
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 22/24   00:06:28  2324kN, tb=89168
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 23/24   00:07:32  2846kN, tb=113425
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 24/39   00:09:31  4139kN, tb=166591
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8 Bf2 6.Rd2 Bg1 7.Rd1 Be3 8.Rd7+
Kb8 9.Rd3 Bg1 10.Kb5
  +-  (3.58)   Depth: 25/28   00:12:51  8807kN, tb=316106
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kb5 Bg1 3.Kc6 Ka8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Rd8 Bf2 6.Rd2 Bg1 7.Rd1 Be3 8.Rd7+
Kb8 9.Rd3 Bg1 10.Kb5
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 26/40   00:17:07  30161kN, tb=894029
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Re8+ Ka7 3.Kb5 Bf2 4.Rf8 Bg1 5.Rf1 Bd4 6.Rf4 Bg1
  +-  (3.14)   Depth: 26/40   00:33:45  574815kN, tb=8490249
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Rf1 Be3 5.Rf3 Bg1
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 26/40   00:40:32  631645kN, tb=9648973
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Rf1 Be3 5.Rf3 Bg1
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 26/40   00:40:33  631787kN, tb=9650599
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Rf1 Be3 5.Rf3 Bg1 6.Rg3 Bf2 7.Rg6 Kb8 8.Kc6 Ka8
9.Kc7 Bd4 10.Rh6
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 27/32   00:41:17  644140kN, tb=9794512
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kd5 Bf6 3.Re6 Bd8 4.Kc6 Ka7 5.Kb5 Kb7
  +-  (3.16)   Depth: 27/38   00:42:45  647885kN, tb=9925133
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Kd5 Bf2 3.Rf7 Bc5 4.a5 Bg1 5.Rg7 Bf2 6.a6 b5 7.Kc6 b4 8.Kb5 b3 9.Kc4
Ka8 10.Re7 b2 11.Rb7 b1Q 12.Rb2 Qxb2 13.Kd5 Be3 14.Kc4
  +-  (3.16)   Depth: 27/38   00:43:29  649767kN, tb=10004329
1.Kc6 Kb8 2.Rf7 Be3 3.Rf8+ Ka7 4.Kb5 Kb7 5.Rf3 Bd4 6.Rd3 Bf2 7.Rd7+ Kb8 8.Ka6
Bg1 9.Rd8+ Kc7 10.Ka7
  +-  (3.14)   Depth: 28/42   01:03:35  1224126kN, tb=14702492
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Rf1 Be3 5.Rf3 Bg1 6.Kc6 Kb8 7.Rd3 Ka7 8.Rd6
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 28/42   01:04:12  1226297kN, tb=14728798
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Rf1 Be3 5.Rf3 Bg1 6.Kc6 Kb8 7.Rd3 Ka7 8.Rd6
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 28/42   01:04:24  1227415kN, tb=14740034
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Re2 Bg1 5.Re1 Bf2 6.Re2 Bg1
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 29/34   01:10:28  1232930kN, tb=14863174
1.Re4 Bf2 2.Re2 Bg1 3.Re1 Bf2 4.Re2 Bg1 5.Re1 Bf2 6.Re2 Bg1
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 30/34   01:16:25  1237199kN, tb=15005046
1.Re4 Bg1 2.Re1 Bd4 3.Kc6 Kb8 4.Re8+ Ka7 5.Kb5 Bf2 6.Re7+ Kb8 7.Kc6 Ka8 8.Re8+
Ka7 9.Kb5 Kb7 10.Re7+ Kb8 11.Kc6 Ka8 12.Re8+ Ka7 13.Kb5 Kb7 14.Re7+ Kb8 15.Kc6
  +-  (3.14)   Depth: 31/50   01:50:33  1839992kN, tb=17361544
1.Kc4 Bg1 2.Re1 Bh2 3.Kb5 Bc7 4.Kc6 Bd6 5.Kxd6 Kb7
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 31/50   02:06:56  1883262kN, tb=18145762
1.Kc4 Bg1 2.Re1 Bf2 3.Re2 Bg1 4.Rg2 Be3 5.Kd5 Kb7 6.Rg3 Bf2 7.Kc4
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 31/50   02:09:05  1888848kN, tb=18409960
1.Kc4 Bg1 2.Re1 Bf2 3.Re2 Bg1 4.Rg2 Be3 5.Rg7 Kb8 6.Kd5 Bh6 7.Rg6 Be3 8.Kc4
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 32/47   05:03:19  8092508kN, tb=35839534

     Games are not won or lost by ce's either.

The ce's after the decimal;  (0.xx) are the static positional values.

If a Material advantage is not found for either side of at least +- (3.xx)

the Computer is telling you it is a Draw!

If you don't believe me, ask ChessBase!

(,  24.04.2005)
                  The game is a Draw!



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