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Subject: Re: Which is better?

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 13:40:26 04/24/05

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On April 24, 2005 at 16:28:06, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>On April 24, 2005 at 15:05:41, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 24, 2005 at 14:31:52, Jack Lad wrote:
>>
>>>[d] 6nr/p2rkp1n/1pQRq1pp/1N2P3/8/4BN1P/PPP2PP1/2K4R w
>>>
>>>1.Nc7 or Nfd4?
>>>
>>>Or can they both mate in the same number of moves?
>>
>>Playing through the lines, it appears that:
>>
>>1.Nc7 is a Mate in 9.
>>
>>1.Nfd4 is a Mate in 11.
>>
>>jm
>
>3 best moves from ChessMaster 10 (AMD@3000+)
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>9:38	1/13	Mate09	233251425	1.Nc7 Rxc7 2.Qxc7+ Kf8 3.Rxe6 Kg7
>					4.Nh4 Ng5 5.Bxg5 Ne7 6.Bf6+ Kh7
>					7.Qxe7 Rf8 8.Qxf8 fxe6 9.Qg7#

You need to be careful with 1.Nc7. If CMX is anything like Ruffian, it will get
a mate score, lose it, get it again only to lose it again while shifting from a
best response to it of Rxc7, Nf8, Qf5 and Ngf6 all the while. Ruffian had a
tough time with 1.Nc7. It took 5 times longer to reach the same depth of 14 that
1.Rxe6 got and ultimately lost the mate score.

>10:36	1/13	Mate11	259792029	1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Rd1 Ngf6 3.Rxd7+
>					Nxd7 4.Qd6+ Ke8 5.Nc7+ Kd8 6.Nxe6+
>					Ke8 7.Ng7+ Kd8 8.e6 Nf6 9.Bf4 Rg8
>					10.Qc7+ Ke7 11.Bd6#
>15:29	1/13	Mate11	377499702	1.Nfd4 Qxe5 2.Rxd7+ Kf8 3.Nd6 Ng5
>					4.Bxg5 Ne7 5.Qf3 Qxg5+ 6.Kb1 Qd5
>					7.Qxd5 Nxd5 8.Rxf7+ Kg8 9.Ne6 Nc3+
>					10.bxc3 Rh7 11.Rf8#



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