Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 03:40:52 04/25/05
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> >I believe that >Fritz8 missed a simple win by 159...Rxf1 > >Shredder9 can find it after some learning > >Father - Vinsantopc,F, 5m + 0s, rated 2005 >[D]8/4k3/4p3/1p1p1p2/p1pP1Pp1/P1P1P1Pr/1P2R1K1/5N1r b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI: > >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 1/1 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 2/5 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 3/5 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 4/5 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 5/5 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 6/6 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 7/7 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 10/10 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 11/11 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 12/12 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 13/13 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 14/14 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 17/17 00:00:00 1kN >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 18/18 00:00:01 2kN >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 19/19 00:00:02 2kN >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 20/20 00:00:03 3kN >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 21/21 00:00:03 4kN >159...Rxf1 160.Kxf1 Rxg3 161.Rh2 Rxe3 > -+ (-5.37) Depth: 22/22 00:00:04 5kN > >(, 25.04.2005) > > >Uri Hello Uri. Please see not alltime ways fpr a alibi for the computers. (Many Grandmasters makes blunder after 159 moves) Thanks. German: Bitte suche nicht ständig ein Alibi für die Fehler der Computer. Pablo zeigt hier schonungslos die Schwächen auf, wo noch die Schwächen der Programme liegen! Vielmehr sollte man daher die Dummheit der Programme kritisieren. Ob Shredder 9 wirdklich auf f1 ohne Lernen geschlagen hätte in der originalpartie, (also Rxf1) das weiß ich nicht. In der Analyse auf meinem PC sieht es in der puren Stellung so aus: Father - Vinsantopc,Fitz 8, 5m + 0s, rated blitz 2005 8/4k3/4p3/1p1p1p2/p1pP1Pp1/P1P1P1Pr/1P2R1K1/5N1r b - - 0 1 Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI: 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 1/2 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kd6 -+ (-4.28) Tiefe: 5/10 00:00:00 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Th7 162.Ke2 -+ (-4.30) Tiefe: 6/11 00:00:00 5kN 159...Kd8 -+ (-4.31) Tiefe: 6/12 00:00:00 9kN 159...Kd8 160.Kf2 Kc7 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Ke2 -+ (-4.36) Tiefe: 6/12 00:00:00 9kN 159...Kd8 160.Kf2 Kd7 161.Te1 Kc6 -+ (-4.18) Tiefe: 7/12 00:00:00 11kN 159...Kd6 -+ (-4.19) Tiefe: 7/12 00:00:00 12kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 -+ (-4.19) Tiefe: 7/12 00:00:00 13kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kb6 162.Ke2 Ka5 163.Td1 -+ (-4.29) Tiefe: 8/13 00:00:00 21kN 159...Th8 -+ (-4.30) Tiefe: 8/13 00:00:00 23kN 159...Th8 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Td1 T8h7 163.Ke2 -+ (-4.34) Tiefe: 8/13 00:00:00 24kN 159...Th8 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Td1 T8h7 163.Ke2 T7h3 -+ (-4.20) Tiefe: 9/14 00:00:01 34kN 159...Kd6 -+ (-4.21) Tiefe: 9/14 00:00:01 34kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 -+ (-4.21) Tiefe: 9/14 00:00:01 37kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Th5 162.Ke2 T5h2+ -+ (-4.29) Tiefe: 10/15 00:00:02 58kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Th7 162.Ke2 T7h2+ -+ (-4.20) Tiefe: 11/16 00:00:02 79kN 159...Th8 -+ (-4.21) Tiefe: 11/16 00:00:03 81kN 159...Th8 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Txf1+ -+ (-4.21) Tiefe: 11/16 00:00:03 88kN 159...Th8 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Ke2 T8h3 163.Td1 Kb6 -+ (-4.20) Tiefe: 12/17 00:00:03 139kN 159...Kd6 -+ (-4.21) Tiefe: 12/17 00:00:03 141kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 Kb6 162.Ke2 Th5 -+ (-4.22) Tiefe: 12/17 00:00:03 148kN 159...Th5 -+ (-4.23) Tiefe: 12/17 00:00:04 179kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Ke2 Txf1 -+ (-4.23) Tiefe: 12/17 00:00:04 182kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Te2 Kb6 163.Te1 Th8 164.Ke2 T8h2+ -+ (-4.23) Tiefe: 13/18 00:00:04 200kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Te2 T1h3 163.Te1 Th6 164.Te2 Th2+ -+ (-4.24) Tiefe: 14/19 00:00:05 268kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Te2 Kb6 163.Te1 T5h3 -+ (-4.22) Tiefe: 15/20 00:00:06 364kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Te1 Kc6 162.Te2 Kb6 163.Te1 T5h3 -+ (-4.22) Tiefe: 16/21 00:00:07 534kN 159...Th5 160.Kf2 Kd6 161.Kg2 Kc7 162.Kf2 Kb6 -+ (-4.23) Tiefe: 17/23 00:00:10 824kN 159...Kd6 -+ (-4.24) Tiefe: 17/23 00:00:10 896kN 159...Kd6 160.Td2 Kc6 161.Tf2 -+ (-4.40) Tiefe: 17/25 00:00:12 1184kN 159...Kd7 -+ (-4.41) Tiefe: 17/25 00:00:13 1367kN 159...Kd7 -+ (-4.41) Tiefe: 17/25 00:00:13 1392kN 159...Kd7 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 T3h2+ 162.Sxh2 Txh2+ 163.Kf1 Txb2 164.Te2 Tb1+ 165.Kf2 Tc1 166.Ta2 Kd6 167.Ke2 Txc3 168.Kd2 Td3+ 169.Ke2 Kc6 -+ (-4.41) Tiefe: 18/25 00:00:14 1572kN 159...Kd6 -+ (-4.42) Tiefe: 18/25 00:00:15 1607kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 -+ (-4.42) Tiefe: 18/25 00:00:16 1879kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 T3h2+ 162.Sxh2 Txh2+ 163.Kf1 Txb2 164.Te2 Tb1+ 165.Kf2 Tc1 166.Ta2 Kd6 167.Ke2 Txc3 168.Kd2 Td3+ 169.Ke2 Kc6 -+ (-4.41) Tiefe: 19/26 00:00:18 2199kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 T3h2+ 162.Sxh2 Txh2+ 163.Kf1 Txb2 164.Te2 Tb1+ 165.Kf2 Tc1 166.Ta2 Kd6 167.Ke2 Txc3 168.Kd2 Td3+ 169.Ke2 Kc6 -+ (-4.37) Tiefe: 20/28 00:00:22 2789kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Te1 T3h2+ 162.Sxh2 Txh2+ 163.Kf1 Txb2 164.Te2 Tb1+ 165.Kf2 Tc1 166.Ta2 Kd6 167.Ke2 Txc3 168.Kd2 Td3+ 169.Ke2 Kc6 -+ (-4.36) Tiefe: 21/29 00:00:27 3735kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Kg2 Kb7 162.Kf2 Th7 -+ (-4.37) Tiefe: 22/34 00:00:39 5792kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Kg2 Kb7 162.Kf2 Th7 163.Te1 Kc6 -+ (-4.36) Tiefe: 23/34 00:00:50 7933kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Kg2 Kb7 162.Kf2 Th7 163.Te1 Kc6 164.Te2 Kb6 -+ (-4.36) Tiefe: 24/35 00:01:08 10919kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Kg2 Kb6 162.Kf2 Kc6 163.Kg2 Kb6 164.Kf2 Kc6 -+ (-4.37) Tiefe: 25/35 00:01:32 15675kN 159...Kd6 160.Kf2 Kc6 161.Kg2 Kb6 162.Kf2 Ka5 163.Kg2 Th7 164.Kf2 Ka6 165.Te1 Kb7 166.Te2 -+ (-4.38) Tiefe: 26/40 00:02:11 23647kN (Nemeth, Privat 25.04.2005) Stregt euch also an ihr Programmierer, damit Pablo solche Siege nicht mehr gelingen mögen! Bisher jedenfalls vermag Pablo ganz gut Punkte zu holen. Auch Alibis wie "Das Programm hat/hatte da einen BUG" zählt für mich nicht. Ist es denn nicht schon erstaunlich genug (!) ein Amateur, die Programme so an der Nase herumführt - und alles auch noch live (nicht im Kämmerchen!)? Ich denke JA! Aber ihr dürft mich gerne korrigieren und erklären wo mein grober Denkfehler liegt. Danke, Eduard
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