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Subject: Re: A Blast from the past - Feng Hsu - Part Two

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:21:38 04/25/05

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On April 25, 2005 at 10:28:16, chandler yergin wrote:

>On April 24, 2005 at 17:51:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 24, 2005 at 16:45:55, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On April 24, 2005 at 15:54:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 24, 2005 at 12:57:12, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>
>
>Even the Deep Blue team is less Biased & more realistic than you are Hyatt!
>
>http://www.southerncrossreview.org/2/chess.htm
>
>Quoting:
>In Scientific American, May 1996, there is an interview with the designers of
>DB, a parallel system with 16 nodes. "In three minutes, the time allocated for
>each move in a formal match, the machine can evaluate a total of about 20
>billion moves; that is enough to consider every single possible move and
>countermove 12 sequences ahead and select lines of attack as much as 30 moves
>beyond that. 'The fact that this ability is still not enough to beat a mere
>human is amazing', Campbell [one of the six IBM prophets behind DB] says. The
>lesson, Hoane [another one] adds, is that masters such as Kasparov 'are doing
>some mysterious computation that we can't figure out.'"


who is realistic and what does that have to do with anything?  I don't believe
the best humans, on their best days, are still worse than computers.  We saw
that in the Last couple of computer-human matches.  The humans can litterally
shred the computers on occasion.  But the computer bounces right back, ready to
go, for the next round, while the human can't.  And that is a significant
difference.



>
>>>>What does that have to do with anything?  three minutes +/- X, where X can be up
>>>>to 15-20 minutes based on actually playing games against Deep Thought and deep
>>>>blue prototype...
>>>>
>>>>Times vary wildly.  For _all_ programs.
>>>>
>>>>Go read something, or talk to someone, or do something to improve your knowledge
>>>>about computer chess.  Shoot, even sitting on a rock alone will probably do
>>>>that... your knowledge is so near zero at the moment...
>>>
>>>You'd sure like to think so wouldn't you?
>>
>>
>>That's the difference between you and I (at least one of them).
>>
>>You "think" while I "know".
>>
>>big difference.
>
>Please tell me what your response has to do with what I Posted?
>
>Thanks,
>Chan


I'll ask the same for your quote above...





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