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Subject: Re: The Fredkin Prize

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 16:50:01 04/26/05

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On April 26, 2005 at 18:08:01, chandler yergin wrote:

>On April 26, 2005 at 17:04:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 26, 2005 at 16:52:10, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On April 26, 2005 at 16:35:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 26, 2005 at 15:46:33, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 26, 2005 at 14:44:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 26, 2005 at 12:29:27, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Fredkin Prize was $100,000 for the first team to build or program
>>>>>>>a computer that would defeat the World Champion in a Match!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Deep Blue Team won it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No it wasn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was a three stage prize.  The first for the author of the first computer to
>>>>>>achieve a master chess rating.  Awarded to Belle in 1983.  The second for the
>>>>>>first program to produce a 2600 performance rating over 25 consecutive games
>>>>>>against grandmaster players in long (40 moves in 2 hours or slower) games.
>>>>>>Awarded to deep thought in the early 1990's.  The final stage was to beat the
>>>>>>world champion in a match.  Awarded to IBM in 1997.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your point would be???
>>>>>
>>>>>As I Posted!
>>>>>
>>>>>The Fredkin Prize was $100,000 for the first team to build or program
>>>>>a computer that would defeat the World Champion in a Match!
>>>>>
>>>>>Awarded to IBM in 1997.
>>>>>
>>>>>What don't you understand?
>>>>>
>>>>>What do the previous stages have to do with what happened in 1997?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do deliberately try and Provoke me?
>>>>>Hmmm?
>>>>
>>>>I answered that earlier.  IBM spent _millions_ of dollars on the deep blue
>>>>project.  The salaries were about $1M per year for the entire team, spread over
>>>>10 years.  Not to mention the hardware, the public relations setup, the expenses
>>>>for Kasparov.  The prize fund.  And they did all of that to win $100,000.00???
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely amazing logic.  I hope you get better advise for investing for your
>>>>retirement,  15+ million dollars over 10 years to get a return of $100,000 is
>>>>_not_ very smart investing...  IMHO anyway...
>>>
>>>Why can't you accept your friend HSU's own words?
>>>Pg 263
>>>"Right after the rematch we did not believe that we would receive the
>>>Fredkin Prize.
>>>While satisfying the original intent of the Prize,
>>>the match did not conform to the Prize Committee's match conditions
>>>set a few years back, in particular the length of the match and the size of the
>>>prize fund."
>>>
>>>Hmmmm?
>>
>>
>>I don't have any idea what point you are trying to make.  Perhaps that because
>>he wrote that statement, that somehow implies that winning the Fredkin stage III
>>prize was the ultimate goal of this little exercise?
>>
>>Not true.
>>
>>It was something that happened along the way, for sure.  But it was not any
>>driving motivation for IBM as you are trying to imply.  It was way too little
>>money for what IBM invested in the DB project...
>
>I have never implied it was the motivation of IBM.. it was the motivation
>of the TEAM.
>It was never any secret!


there you are completely "full of it."  The fredkin prize was _not_ the
motivation for the "team".  We were all in this "grand chase" way before any
Fredkin prize even existed.  Sorry.




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