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Subject: Re: The Grind?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:25:40 05/02/05

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On May 02, 2005 at 15:44:39, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On May 01, 2005 at 15:18:05, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On May 01, 2005 at 12:35:59, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>I think someone posted this position as 'the grind'?
>>>
>>>Shredder finds the Mate.
>>>
>>>[D]1rb3kr/p2q1ppp/1p1N4/3QPP2/8/8/P1P3PP/1R3R1K w
>>>
>>>.e6 Qc7 2.exf7+ Kf8 3.Rbe1 g6 4.fxg6 Be6
>>>  +-  (5.66)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:45  54kN
>>>1.e6 Qc7 2.exf7+ Kf8 3.Rbe1 Bb7 4.Re8+ Rxe8 5.fxe8Q#
>>>  +-  (6.16)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:47  62kN
>>>1.e6 Qc7 2.exf7+ Kf8 3.Rbe1 Bd7 4.Qe5 Qd8 5.f6 g6
>>>  +-  (6.44)   Depth: 7/29   00:00:49  77kN
>>>1.e6 Qc7 2.exf7+ Kf8 3.Rbe1 Bd7 4.Qe5 Qd8 5.f6 Qe7 6.Qxe7#
>>>  +-  (6.69)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:55  100kN
>>
>>See this thread:
>>
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?423252
>>
>>As you can see, it is a mate in approximately 15 moves, and you are yet another
>>victim of Shredder's deceptive (or, as I like to put it, "totally wrong") PVs
>>and/or evals.
>
>Many programs will cough up a pound sign in the principal variation and yet not
>show a mate score.
>
>The depth of search above is 8 plies, and so these moves:
>... 5.f6 Qe7 6.Qxe7#
>are obviously speculative.

No

Speculative Moves should not be in the pv.
depth of 8 plies does not mean that everything above 8 plies is speculative.

Programs can show long mate and correct mate at small depth.

Uri



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