Author: chandler yergin
Date: 09:19:57 05/03/05
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On May 03, 2005 at 01:29:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>On May 02, 2005 at 20:13:00, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 2005 at 13:21:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On April 25, 2005 at 10:56:07, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think we have to overlook the Naive thinking here.
>>>>
>>>>The Computer is using the latest Theory from the Top Grandmaster games.
>>>>
>>>>Those are in it's DataBase and Opening Books.
>>>>
>>>>Which is what an Opening book is...
>>>>
>>>>Positions from games played.
>>>>
>>>>For any GM Like Kasparov or Anand or Krammnik to play 'against' a Computer,
>>>>they are competing with their own play. Now, they have a choice here..
>>>>
>>>>1. Do they want to play their best lines from their home analysis, and broadcast
>>>>those to the world? I think not..
>>>>
>>>>Therefore, they play 'anti' Computer Chess, till the Computer is 'out'
>>>>of the Book, then it's an even playing field.
>>>>
>>>>This is not good for Chess!
>>>>
>>>>If you think a Computer 'without' an Opening Book, & EGTB's,
>>>>can compete against even a Master, you are sadly mistaken.
>>>
>>>I think that top programs can score more than 50% against masters even without
>>>opening book and EGTB's unless the opponents are prepared with a killer line but
>>>it is possible to prevent it by having some small random factor in the choice of
>>>the program.
>>>
>>>remember that fide rating of 2300 is enough to be a master.
>>
>>Uri
>>
>>
>>You have seen positions Posted here... with "Start your Engines" etc...
>>
>>Where a position has 30 or 40 'possible moves' the Horizon effect comes into
>>play.
>>
>>You can spin your hard disc for days.. and not really be sure the PV is the best
>>move.
>>
>>Under Tournament time controls the 'best move' is far beyond the Computer's
>>ability to find.
>>
>>That's what 'anti-computer' chess is all about.
>>
>>They have no intelligence, no plan, no strategy, when out of book!
>>
>>You know that..
>
>Intelligence is not needed to beat masters.
>Programs can in most cases find good theory moves by themselves without book and
>even if they cannot do it then I expect masters to be unable to take advantage
>of it in most cases so I expect chess program with no book to beat masters in
>most cases.
>
>Uri
Under Tournament time controls?
Some tests would eliminate speculation on both sides.
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