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Subject: Re: Turn those engines on -test position, Rxh7, not Qb3+

Author: Steven J. Brann

Date: 18:55:49 05/03/05

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On May 03, 2005 at 21:31:00, Steven J. Brann wrote:

>On May 03, 2005 at 19:34:02, Tom Brake wrote:
>
>>[d]r1b2rk1/ppq1b1pp/n1p2p2/7R/3BNN2/6QP/PPP3P1/2K4R w - - 0 1
>>
>>1. Rxh7!!!! Kxh7 2. Qg6+ Kg8 3. Nh5 Bd8 4. Rf1 Rf7 5. Bxf6! Nb4 ( seen by the
>>silicon, turns out it's literally the only move that doesn't lose on the spot,
>>and also threatens perpetual after Nxa2+, Nc3+ due to the exposed White king.
>>and so White almost has to play ...  )
>
>CM10th with a custom personality on a P4 3.4G HT machine struggles a bit with
>this one but ultimately gets there.
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/5	0.44	27950		1.Qb3+ Rf7 2.Rf1 Qd7 3.Ne2 Qe6
>0:00	1/6	0.54	97833		1.Qb3+ Rf7 2.Rf1 Qd7 3.Rd1 Bd6 4.g3
>0:01	1/7	0.37	290280		1.Qb3+ Rf7 2.Rf1 Qd7 3.Bc3 f5 4.Ng5
>					Bxg5 5.Rxg5
>0:05	1/8	0.49	1161429		1.Qb3+ Rf7 2.Rf1 Qd7 3.Bc3 Qe8
>					4.Kb1 g6 5.Rh6
>0:12	1/9	0.39	2979906		1.Qb3+ Rf7 2.Rf1 Qd7 3.Be3 b6 4.Kb1
>					Bb4 5.a3 Bf8
>0:36	1/9	0.97	8545172		1.Rf1 c5 2.Qd3 Nb4 3.Qc4+ Rf7 4.Bxc5
>					f5 5.Qxb4 fxe4 6.Bxe7 Qxe7
>1:17	2/10	1.01	18949589	1.Rf1 Bd8 2.Qd3 h6 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Qc4
>					b5 5.Qb3 Qd7
>3:26	2/11	1.58	52469020	1.Rf1 Bd8 2.Rxh7 Bf5 3.Ng6 Kxh7
>					4.Nxf8+ Kg8 5.Nd6 Bxh3 6.gxh3 Kxf8
>7:19	2/12	1.51	116850970	1.Rf1 Bd8 2.Re1 Bd7 3.Qb3+ Rf7
>					4.g3 Rc8 5.Rxh7 Bf5 6.Rh5 Qa5 7.Rd1
>10:34	2/12	2.04	163294994	1.Re1 c5 2.Bc3 Bd6 3.Nxd6 Qxd6
>					4.Qh4 h6 5.Rxh6 gxh6 6.Qg3+ Bg4
>					7.Qxg4+ Kh8 8.Ng6+ Kg8 9.Nxf8+ Kxf8

[D]r1b2rk1/ppq1b1pR/n1p2p2/8/3BNN2/6QP/PPP3P1/2K4R b - - 0 1

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/5	-4.17	45809		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kh8 3.Qh5+ Kg8
					4.Ng6 Re8 5.Rd1
0:00	1/6	-3.87	104164		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kh8 3.Nh5 Bb4 4.Nhxf6
					gxf6 5.Bxf6+ Rxf6 6.Nxf6
0:01	1/7	-2.67	238450		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Rf7 4.Rf1
					f5 5.Nxg7 f4
0:01	1/8	-1.62	429640		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Rf7 4.Rf1
					Kf8 5.Qh7 Bd6 6.Nxd6 Qxd6 7.Qh8+
					Ke7 8.Nxg7
0:03	1/9	-1.62	1048357		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Rf7 4.Rf1
					Kf8 5.Qh7 Bd6 6.Nxd6 Qxd6 7.Qh8+
					Ke7 8.Nxg7
0:10	2/10	-1.50	2892935		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Bd8 4.Rf1
					c5 5.Nexf6+ Bxf6 6.Nxf6+ Rxf6 7.Bxf6
					Qf7 8.Qg3
0:26	2/11	-0.92	7659032		1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Bd8 4.Rf1
					c5 5.Nexf6+ Bxf6 6.Nxf6+ Rxf6 7.Qe8+
					Kh7 8.Bxf6 Qd7 9.Qe4+ Kg8
1:18	2/12	-0.53	22978345	1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Bd8 4.Rf1
					c5 5.Rxf6 Rf7 6.Nxg7 Bxf6 7.Ne6+
					Bg7 8.Nxc7 Nxc7 9.Bxg7 Rxg7
3:46	3/13	0.00	68426944	1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Bd8 4.Rf1
					Rf7 5.Nxg7 Rxg7 6.Nxf6+ Bxf6 7.Qe8+
					Kh7 8.Qh5+ Kg8 9.Qe8+
13:45	3/14	1.11	239975192	1...Kxh7 2.Qg6+ Kg8 3.Nh5 Bd8 4.Rf1
					Rf7 5.Bxf6 Nb4 6.Nxg7 Nxa2+ 7.Kb1
					Nc3+ 8.Nxc3 Bxf6 9.Nf5+ Kf8 10.Nh6
					Bxc3 11.Qxf7+ Qxf7 12.Rxf7+ Ke8
					13.bxc3

After forcing Rxh7, CM10th sees a lower score for white than Re1 above. Perhaps
it's one of those situations where the beast just needs more grunt time than I
was willing to invest in it.

Steve



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