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Subject: Re: Fritz5's strange tablebase

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 15:11:46 02/06/99

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On February 06, 1999 at 10:29:24, blass uri wrote:

>
>On February 06, 1999 at 10:08:41, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On February 06, 1999 at 06:07:34, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>6K1/6Q1/8/4q3/8/8/1p6/4k3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Fritz5's tablebase says:
>>>(-#2) Qxg7+ (-2) Qb8+ (-2)Qe8+ (-3)Qd5+ (-3)Qe6+ (-31)Qh2 (-36)Qb5
>>>(0) b1B (0) b1Q (0) b1N (0) Kd1 (0) Qe2 (0) Qe3 (0) Qe4 (0) Qf4 (0) Qa5 (0) Qc5
>>>(0) Qf5 (0) Qh5 (0) Qd6 (0) Qf6 (0) Qc7 (0) Kf1 (0) Kd2 (0) Kf2
>>>(-#29) B1R (-#19) Qg5 (-#19) Qe7 (-#17) Qg3 (-#10) Qc3 (-#10) Qd4
>>>(-#10) Ke2
>
>
>I should write (#29) without - for b1R and the same for Qg5...
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have no problem with the move Qxg7+ but I do not understand the number 2.
>>>It is clearly not distance to mate and not distance to conversion.
>>>
>>*********************
>>Hello Uri,
>>I get different numbers than yours.  I get (-1)Qxg7 which is correct.  I also
>>get (-2)Qb8 which is also correct as far as I can tell.  It's two moves to
>>conversion.  But this is with Fritz 5.32 and the Fritz 5.32 CD ROM.  With the
>>Fritz 5.00 CD ROM I get really weird numbers and the program ask for the CD on
>>every move.  This all started since the last SP1 update.
>>**********************
>>
>>>I also do not understand why the mistake in the evaluation of b1B and b1N
>>
>>**************
>>>Are you sure KQN vs KQ is not a draw?  Same with KQB vs KQ ??
>
>I am sure that after b1B Qxe5+ the KQ vs KB is not a draw.
>The same for b1N.
>It is interesting that Fritz5 understood that b1R is losing but did not
>understand that b1B or B1N are losing.
>
Yes, I was not paying attention !?  if b1=anything but a queen it is a loss
(Queen=draw).


>>***************
>>
>>>Fritz5's tablebase say also in the following position:8/8/8/8/1p2Q2K/q7/1k6/8 b
>>>- - 0 1
>>>b3 (-49)
>>>again I do not understand the (-49)
>>>
>>***********************
>>This is 49 moves to conversion for black.  I played this out using the "move
>>now" button and it looks reasonable.
>
>I thought that b3 is the conversion so the distance to conversion(Moving a pawn
>or capture is 1.
>
>Uri

Here the b3 is the moving of the pawn the (-49) is 49 moves to conversion for
black.  Meaning in 49 moves black will force white to give up the queen for the
pawn or allow the pawn to promote into a won endgame.  That's my understanding
of the numbers.

I also should mention that in the first example after (-2)Qb8+  Fritz did not
follow up properly in the next move (I tried kh7).  So, I think you can not
trust the whole CD ROM of Fritz 5.00 or 5.32.  Sometimes it works but sometimes
it does not.  Chessbase was supposed to bring out a new special update this week
but I have not seen it.  Maybe they are still having problems.  I wish they
could get this program/GUI fixed so it works properly.  When it works it's a
very nice program.
Jim Walker



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