Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 22:08:07 05/07/05
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On May 08, 2005 at 00:46:02, Heinz van Kempen wrote:
>On May 07, 2005 at 13:39:52, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>After the end of cycle 18, round 127 and 504 games, it is
>>still Shredder9 to have the lead. Ruffian 2.1.0 remained
>>at the bottom of the table and the winners of this serie
>>are Hiarcs 9 and Junior 9 with 5.0/7
>>
>>RK 2005 Tournament (90m+30s)
>>8 engines, 210 rounds, 840 games, Athlon 1.3/64 MB hash
>>All games played under ChessBase Fritz8-GUI
>>Time control: 90m+30s, ponder=off, 3-/4-men EGTB
>>Books: own tournament books, optimize, no book learning
>>Chess Tiger 15 CB (tiger15.ctg) by Christoph Theron
>>Fritz 8.0.0.26 (fritz8.ctg) by Frans Morsch
>>Hiarcs 9 (hiarcs9.ctg) by Mark Uniacke
>>Gandalf 6.0 (dbchs.dat) by Steen Surballe
>>Junior 9.0.0.3 (junior9.ctg) by Amir Ban
>>Ruffian 2.1.0 UCI (book 3) by Perola Valfridsson
>>Shredder 9 CB (shredder9.ctg) by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
>>The King 3.33 (Yoda 2.5 with cm.book) by Johan de Koning
>>Tester: Kurt Utzinger / Rolf Bühler, Switzerland
>>
>>Details / Ranking list / Games download
>>http://www.utzingerk.com/rk_2005.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Program Score % Av.Op. Elo + -
>>
>> 1 Shredder 9 : 78.5/126 62.3 2489 2576 52 54
>> 2 Junior 9 : 68.5/126 54.4 2496 2526 59 48
>> 3 Fritz 8 : 64.5/126 51.2 2499 2507 62 38
>> 4 Chess Tiger 15.0 : 62.0/126 49.2 2501 2495 44 62
>> 5 Hiarcs 9 : 61.5/126 48.8 2501 2493 44 62
>> 6 Gandalf 6.0 : 59.5/126 47.2 2502 2483 43 60
>> 7 The King 3.33 : 58.0/126 46.0 2503 2476 43 59
>> 8 Ruffian 2.1.0 : 51.5/126 40.9 2508 2444 48 54
>
>Hi Kurt,
>
>comparing different ELO lists available I observed the following, when I compare
>Fritz and Junior and this seems to be valid for different Fritz versions:
>
>Blitz: Fritz mostly ahead of Junior
>Active (Rapid) Chess: more or less at the same level
>Tournament time control: Junior mainly better than Fritz (hard to find a lot of
>tournaments here, so I refer to SSDF and your tournaments especially)
>
>So my conclusion would be that Junior gains strength above average the more time
>is given to the engine and engines like for example Fritz do not.
Hello Heinz
Interesting observations in so far as you say things
I have thought about myself and after some more
reflection I would agree with this statement though
things might have changed to the same level when
using Fritz 8 Bilbao instead of our test program v8.0.0.26
Kurt
Hiarcs for
>example also is a very good blitz engine, but seems to have worse results
>(disproportionate) with more time (SSDF).
>
>Hard to say what could be the reasons for this phenomenon.
Hello Heinz
Fully agreed and in accordance with my experience when
using Hiarcs 9 for analysing purposes: from some depth
search on it takes a very very long time till Hiarcs 9
changes its mind for better moves.
Kurt
>Opposite to you I am interested in all time controls, thinking on the other hand
>that tournament chess is the "king´s category".
>
>So let us hope that there will always be tournaments with long time control, no
>matter how fast computers will be in the future.
>
>Best Regards
>Heinz
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