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Subject: Re: It's a DRAW !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:00:44 05/12/05

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On May 12, 2005 at 07:55:03, James T. Walker wrote:

>As soon as either white pawn is captured, 6 man tablebases will tell you it's a
>draw.

This is not convincing to explain me why it is a draw because KPPP vs KP is not
something that you think to be drawn and you need more than claim of tablebases
to understand.

More convincing explanation is that after white put the king at h1 and black
capture the pawn g4 then it is a draw because white can play Kg1-h1-g1-h1 and
black has no way to get progress with 3 pawns against 1 pawn because if black
push g3 g2 then it is still a draw.

Another option for black is to go for h2 but in that case it is also a draw
because white captures g5 and the KQP vs KQ is a draw.

Note that shredder cannot see it inspite of getting depth 62(I do not use the 6
piece tablebases)

New game,
K7/8/k7/6p1/6Pp/7p/7P/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 9 UCI:

1. -+ (-5.74): 1.Kb8 Kb6 2.Ka8 Kc5 3.Ka7 Kd4 4.Kb6 Ke4 5.Kc5 Kf3 6.Kd4 Kxg4
7.Ke4 Kh5 8.Ke3 g4 9.Kf2 Kg5 10.Kf1 g3 11.Kg1 Kg4 12.Kh1 Kf4

(,  12.05.2005)

Fritz is even more stupid

It only can get depth 35

New game,
K7/8/k7/6p1/6Pp/7p/7P/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1. -+ (-10.22): 1.Kb8 Kb6 2.Ka8 Kc6 3.Ka7 Kd5 4.Kb6 Ke4 5.Kc5 Kf3 6.Kd4 Kxg4
7.Ke4 Kh5 8.Kf3 g4+ 9.Kf4 g3 10.hxg3 h2

(,  12.05.2005)

Yace can get impressive selective depth but also cannot see the draw
and the score is constant of 5.05 pawns from depth 26/52 to 62/124.

I do not post the analysis because it is very long.

Uri





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